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HiI have just purchased a high end powered subwoofer for my audio only system and would appreciate any advice from Inmates on what speaker and power cables to run.
I have to run the sub from my amplifer speaker output connections. I presently use Stereovox HDLS bi wired speaker cables to my main speakers.
I want cables that provide that quick dynamic response to the sub as it has to keep up with my Sonus Faber Guarneri's which area quite a fast two way main speaker.
The length of the sub speaker cables need to be 3 meters if that helps.
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Duster is correct in that since U R deriving the subwoofer signal from the speaker outputs of your amp that sticking with the same cable as what is implemented for the speakers will maintain the same sonic characteristic through to the sub.Where I diverge is that IME, a cable with active shielding, when implemented for the high level input/speaker output, brings some very strong attributes to the system/sub.
Maybe U could tell us a little about your system and that would give us better insight but your mention of the Stereovox HDLS and the Sonus Faber Guarneris' certainly gives us a hint :-)
Cheers,
Hi GuysThanks for the help so far. Yes I did consider that the best cable may indeed be the Stereovox however I thought I could get away with a cheaper alternative as the cable to the sub obviously does not have to produce the full range signal. System is
Berning ZH-270 Amp with all the latest upgrades
Sonus Faber Garneri's
Stereovox SEI-600II interconnects and HDSL bi wire speaker cable
Kimber KS-2020 Select digital ic
Blue Marble power cables
Altmann Attraction DAC
Transport, just sold my CEC and searching for a replacement
Sub Whise Profunda 319A ( built in Australia)
Nueance shelves
Cryo wall plugs
Dedicated seperate power runs to digital and analogue
Hope that helps
"Yes I did consider that the best cable may indeed be the Stereovox however I thought I could get away with a cheaper alternative as the cable to the sub obviously does not have to produce the full range signal."Since your going to use the high level inputs on the sub, the cable will be carrying the fullrange signal and one should not discount the importance of the signal transmission capablilities of the cable.
Dawnrazor does provide valid experience with the magnet wire BUT, it is taken to the extreme in his case, which only adds to his credibility, and one cannot expect the same results in ones system as others have obtained.
I would not expect U to crack open your new sub and rewire it with magnet wire....that would be jumping the gun in hopes of leaping unseen hurdles....but start with a high quality cable.
Again, do not discount the wires importance just because U R driving the high level input on your sub. I have been shaking my head at what a good active cable brings to a high level input on my REL subs.
It has a very real effect on the whole acoustic spectrum.Cheers,
Hey Kenster,I would not expect U to crack open your new sub and rewire it with magnet wire....that would be jumping the gun in hopes of leaping unseen hurdles....but start with a high quality cable.
Totally agree here, and if it came off like that is what I was recommending, I am sorry. I am most definately not recommending that.
But wiring up from the amp with mag wire, is worth the effort IMHO. But Kenster you are right MMV.
"Totally agree here, and if it came off like that is what I was recommending, I am sorry. I am most definately not recommending that."Hey DR, no need to apologize. I too changed the internal wiring on my HSU Research sub from monster cable to AudioQuest and noticed a much better blend/cleaner bass by doing so. I did wait until the warranty was up first just in case :-)
Cheers,
The warranty is the main reason I don't recommend for others to do this. The results in my case were very good, much like yours.It is interesting that you use Audio Quest and had that improvement.
See, I took my home brew speaker cables to a buddies house and put them in his system (all Kimber hero and select stuff).
Anyhow he prefered the kimbers saying that what I had made had that "Audio quest" sound. I took it as a great compliment.
The Kimbers were really nice and tonally maybe richer than what I had, but I am a sound stage guy, and I thought they were a bit flat in comparison.
It is just crazy what a differnt sub my velodyne became when I changed the wire! How could velodyne be so clueless?
Here is a simple recomendation.Given your request taht the sub be as fast as possible and 20ft of your present cable may be more than you want to spend, try connecting this with 24g magnet wire. This will set you back about $5.
I have connected my velodyne sub (blending a sub with maggies is not always easy) this way and it blended great with the mains. In fact, it wasn't until I wired the sub internally as well as from the amp with thin wire, that it caught up with the maggies.
Anyhow, if your run was shorter say under 10ft, i would recommend this in a heart beat. From what I understand the amp is not really pushing much current in this config, and i think there is more of a chance of high frequency attenuation than bass for long distances, but I haven't tried it for long runs.
But you could and at worse learn a $5 lesson. At best, you will find what I did, that thin wire to a sub leads to very fast and accurate bass.
A benefit of using a powered subwoofer's high-level inputs rather than it's line-level inputs to connect it, is a transference of the main amplifier's sonic signature to the subwoofer system for a more unified soundfield -- a more seemless sonic integration, if you will. Using the same make/model speaker cable to connect your subwoofer as you choose to connect your main loudspeakers with would go one step further to provide this benefit. I would venture to guess that a non-bi-wire version Stereovox HDLS speaker cable is available to serve the purpose.
I believe REL, which is known for excellent integration between sub and main speakers, was the first to champion such connection. I read from the latest issue of TAS that the Wilson Benesch sub (OK, WB doens't call it a sub) suggests the same connection for 2-channel use.
Richard Vandersteen has been trumpeting the importance high level sub. connections for a long time. Both the original 2W and now the 2Wq Vandersteen subs. connect via speaker cable run off the amplifier output jacks to "sample" the sonic characteristics of the amp.and pass that along to the sub. to provide a more seamless integration of main speaker woofers and the subwoofers.I made the mistake of discounting the importance of the cables coming from the amp. to the sub. by using garden variety monster cable. Although the overall gauge was sufficient, the incredibly small gauge of each individual copper strand was not capable of carrying the signal to the subs. effectively. The subs. were mushy. I am currently using double runs of the wire Richard includes with the 2Wqs to each of my two subs with much better effect. Once the cable was run in for a few days things got much tighter and integrated more seamlessly with my 3A Signature main speakers. I'm not convinced that I'm getting the "best" sound with this wire and am open to other options. Any advice would be appreciated.
Totally agree Duster, this is great advice.
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