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and what sort of things factor into this number if it "depends"?I've read what I can on the topic, but it's usually the long IC vs. long speaker cable debate. It would work out a lot better for my room if I could place a single tower rack on the side of the couch instead of in between my speakers.
I have yet to measure how long the run would have to be. To save a few feet, I could run the speaker cables straight out under the coffee table and purchase a rug to run them under (which I plan to do anyways) and that would save a few feet, but it would be nice to have the option of running them down the length of the L and have them stay along the perimeter of the room.
A photo is attached. Thanks in advance for any tips!
---James
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jderdock,If you have to run down the side of the couch along the perimeter that should be okay, but make SURE that your other speaker cable is the same length! Do not use a set of speaker cables that are not identical in length!
Some important guidelines, if you follow these, you will have a well-setup wiring network for your system.
1. Keep cables as short as possible.
2. Keep cables the same length for both channels.
3. Use copper wiring if you have a copper signal path.
4. Use connectors that are tight.
thanks for the replyi actually ordered a 25 foot run from Blue Jeans today. we'll see!
---James
Let us know how it works!
will do! the cables have already shipped (that was FAST!), so I'll be able to A/B them with some AQ Type 4+ and Canare 4S11. Still trying to decide on a rack.
---James
One semi direct, one goes around bushes, and one for question you did not ask.1. Any thick enough (12 GA or better IMHO) that does not reduce damping factor, has enough low capacitance that does not upset your amp.
2. Above will not assure good sound. There are many that fit the bill but how will they sound is big question. You will have to try, see first if you can borrow some cables to test them.
3. With setup like that, does it really matter (except that they do now blow your amp). Left speaker in free space (more or less), other too close to wall, woofer on right firing directly to the wall, rega sit on what seems like quite thin and long "shelf" that supports other electronics, right next to the speakers.
I would definitely try rearranging and some wall treatment before anything else.
believe it or not, I am fairly satisfied with the way things sound at the moment. I think the Polk's would like more power, but I am satisfied with LP playback at the moment. CD playback is a different story.So does it matter? I'd say yes. I don't want to degrade the sound from what it is now, hence my question here.
---James
Thanks for the reply.With regards to point 3, it is what it is and I'm pretty much stuck with this configuration. Part of the reason I'd like to move the equipment next to the couch is that not only would it look cleaner when coming up the stairs, it would also move the Rega away from the speakers. This is my first home and I don't have any other room options until I upgrade homes.
Other than repositioning the speakers, do you have any suggestions for room treatments? I don't seem to have any hard reflection problems and definitely no "slappiness", but the woofer firing into the side wall is a concern of mine. There isn't a ton of room over there...maybe a square foot or so...and I've considered putting a small bass trap there, but is it advisable to fire an 8" passive woofer more or less directly into a bass trap?
---James
If you are happy with sound, you are, I am in no position to question your happiness.Other that that:
"Other than repositioning the speakers, do you have any suggestions for room treatments?"Some wall treatment to reduce reflections.
"I don't seem to have any hard reflection problems and definitely no "slappiness","
Everything is possible but highly unlikely considering proximity of the wall.
"...but the woofer firing into the side wall is a concern of mine. There isn't a ton of room over there...maybe a square foot or so..."
How about firing woofers toward center? Not perfect but probably better than what you have now.
"and I've considered putting a small bass trap there, but is it advisable to fire an 8" passive woofer more or less directly into a bass trap?"
Probably not good solution. Mister ...bass-nut... would probably have some advice. (I do not agree with him about many things, but have to admit that he is mostly right when talking about bass-room interactions)
25' isn't all that long: keep the capacitance low and the runs within a couple of feet of each other in terms of length and you're set.I can't tell form your picture, but if you're running an amp/preamp setup, it may be worth trying a compromise where your source and preamp are @ your couch, and your power amp is near the right side speaker. That way, you'd split the length between the source and the speakers. The only thing is that you'd need new IC's which would add another layer of experimentation. Fun ain't it?? : )
At the moment, I'm running a C320BEE into the Polks. I plan on moving to a Portal Panache or possibly a Rogue/Parasound pre/amp setup.I see what you're saying about splitting the difference, but 20 of the 25 feet is getting to the end of the L on the couch. It's 5 feet from the end of the L over to the left channel.
If the 5' would make a major difference, I'd certainly consider it. Is there some sort of formula for this sort of thing?
thanks for all the replies!
---James
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If you are using pre-manufactured stuff intended for the application, the maker of the cable should be able to give you their recommended limits. I use some Liberty speaker wire in my HT system; the 12/4-conductor wire has the rating written on the outer covering, "60' for fronts, 120' for surrounds".That said, for a while I used them in a 50' run to my fronts, they "worked". Since has changed to longer interconnects, with the Liberty cables at 10' lenghts, which improved the bass tightness and overall clarity.
to get to the left speaker, it will be about 25 feet. I'd most likely be using Canare 4S11 starquad.
---James
For long run speaker cable needs, I'll suggest Kimber KWIK-12 rather than Canare 4S11. Both are similar star quad cables, but the Kimber cable is simply a better design, IMHO. I use two pairs of the cable in a second system that requires what I consider to be long runs (two 15 foot pairs), and for another second system's stereo subwoofer rig (8 foot pair), and find it's price-to-performance ratio to be excellent. For folks who require long runs on a budget, it's got to be a or perhaps *the* best buy. To my ear, Kimber's dual gauge conductors and special recipe PE dielectric as advertised is not hype, since the design seems to do well to reduce stranded conductor resonance (mechanically induced noise), and audible dielectric involvement (coloration). The KWIK-12's sonic signature is audiophile quality on a budget, IME. It's tonality is on the warmer side of neutral, with fine clarity and focus for the price.
thanks for the tip. that's pretty much the amount I'm willing to spend.have you tried the Belden 10 gauge from Blue Jeans cable?
---James
Just do it - i would NOT worry about it, ive got long speaker cables doing l shapes provided the capacitance isnt that high it wont upset your amp.
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