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In Reply to: Re: As a system, Oyaide simply rocks..... posted by kenster on December 5, 2006 at 17:07:33:
See, this is what i'm afraid of...i'm gonna go broke!!!just kidding, at some point I will try the $200 outlet cover. In my home, i can't even get a normal outlet cover to fit securely though...the metal box that holds the wall outlet is set inside the wall quite far, over 1" in. right now the swo-xxx is installed with 2 brass screws (which also ground the plug to the box) and i have a foam outlet cover insulator as the faceplate...totally ghetto & not proper but just temp until i can figure out how to bring the outlet flush with the wall yet still be grounded properly.
kenster, you're the 1st person to rationalize that CF & aluminum outlet cover, damn you! But, now that i hear the cumulative Oyaide improvements loud & clear i'm gonna work on getting finishing the system in '07.
I'm happy to report that i also cut off the stock plug on my cable tv box and installed a cryo'd 5266i plug - the effort has produced a nice improvement in both audio & video thus far. I plug my tv & cable box on a difft circuit than my stereo. This other circuit has NO fancy outlets or nothin...the cable tv box is plugged into a $3, 3 outlet outlet extension cord (no surge protection)which plugs into a 30yr old standard wall outlet. I'm going to stick a 5266i plug on the TV at some point.
i'd bet that well designed components that have crappy stock male plugs benefit from aftermarket plugs more than crappy gear will benefit.
Follow Ups:
"In my home, i can't even get a normal outlet cover to fit securely though...the metal box that holds the wall outlet is set inside the wall quite far, over 1" in."Sounds like U need some metalic standoffs to go between the metal box and the outlet. I've included a link to Keystone who has quite a big selection of standoffs in all different configurations.
Just to be on the safe side, I would also add a heavy gauge jumper from the metal box over to the outlet and attach it between the moun ting tab on the outlet and the standoff.Heck, U might even get lucky and find some standoffs at Home Depot!!
With the Oyaide WPC-X, the outlet/CF piece mounts to the machined aluminum bracket and then the bracket mounts to the metal/plastic box.
"i'd bet that well designed components that have crappy stock male plugs benefit from aftermarket plugs more than crappy gear will benefit."
IME, the stock molded plastic AC plugs do more sonic damage than the stock wiring their connected with, thus my encouragement to just replace the male AC plug with an Oyaide or another cryo'd aftermarket AC plug :-)
Cheers,
~kenster
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We have had several discussions about this and the underlying functional mechanisms (if valid) on Tweaks. You can look up the experiments and results there. It was sparked by some of the earlier inmate postings of positive results with the Oyaide plates.Al Sekela and I have been testing out carbon fiber in various applications, starting with the wall plates, and it works. So does heavy guage aluminum (or other mechanically damping)plates. Sometimes so do metal plates that are non-ferrous. So the combo would surely work with: mechanical damping, some shielding, and RFI control.
You don't need the Oyaide to do this, BTW. But you will need to be able to work the CF in various ways. YMMV
sorry! i have read posts from you guys on this. It'd be great if someone could mfgr CF plates that aren't expensive...maybe with a sandwiched layer of brass for damping?
to date i've tried out oak & brass & the normal hard plastic & the orig ferrous metal covers. I 'think' i could hear a positive change with both the brass & the Oak. BUT, as i stated in an earlier post its tough for me to properly install an oultet cover. plus there have been lots of tweaks and upgrades since i tried listening to difft outlet plates.i'm stoked to have a free floating outlet yet have sound this good. If outlet covers have an audible effect, i should be able to hear somethin once i get around to it.
Can anyone help me bring the outlet 'out of the box' so I can install an outlet cover? a 1/2" extension would be fine i think... There's a ground wire screwed into the conduit box, so the safety part is done - i just can't find a product designed to bring an outlet flush with its cover.the brass screws i'm using are long, 3" or so. I can simply unscrew them more so the outlet hangs loose, not sure if that's a good idea though.
matt
Matt, I wish that too.My original idea was to take a similar looking cast aluminum (outdoor waterproof) plate and infill the CF. That led to some experiments with just the ordinary aluminum plates that worked well.
Trouble is that the Oyaide piece of alum has a much wider opening than anything you'd find off the shelf and this does make a difference, according the Al's theory.
Then I experimented with laminating CF cloth in 2 layers (with carbon paper per Moray James' suggestion) behind a regular nylon plate and that worked very well indeed.
So I bought some CF blanks (aircraft manufacture cutouts) that were 1/2" thick on ebay and Al tooled them. We used them on top of the plates, because neither of us was able to tool this stuff to have it fit snugly the proper way that Oyaide does (they do know what they're doing over there). It was too thick and it eats tools for breakfast. This does also add a noticable improvement.
I've also jimmied up CF cloth sleeves for plug barrels and Al does it with CF sleeves on his too. We do it slightly differently, but it works in both applications.
The effects of the CF are cumulative. It's worth the experiment.
Al did post the theory and if you follow that, then you can figure out several ways to use CF that you don't see yet in Oyaide products.
Sadly, I don't know where to get the CF in the size, shape and formed like Oyaide does. That's why they get to charge the big bucks!
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