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In Reply to: An equalizer makes sense for fixing offensive disks... posted by Spun1 on May 8, 2007 at 08:51:33:
"appropriate synergy, ie. cables, player, speakers."yikes..... I can understand player, amplifiers, speakers but cables, ah nein!
Once, a bright system is fixed, it is fixed, there is would be no need to adjust from disk to disk.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
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and the system. I've tried other speaker and I/C cables on my system and made it too bright. Back to <$200 cables for me.
Changing an EQ for each and every disk reminds me of changing my VTA for 180/200gm disks. Thus, I spend several days listening to the heavy weight, then change back to lighter weight vinyls.
Much. ;)
> but cables, ah nein! <I call bullshit! Cables are most definitely part of the equation. Good cables can be the finishing touch to an already excellent system, don't discount them.
"Good cables can be the finishing touch to an already excellent system" but "Graphic equalizers are just band aids", very good, keep it up.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
I won't let this death spiral into some debate about the merits of cables. But I will say that until you hear the difference they make in a highly resolving system, your argument will remain the same.
I'm clearly in the "cables-make-a-difference" camp. My RFI laden environment definitely benefits from good shielded cables that initially sound darker - devoid of a false brightness imparted by such noise.On the other hand, I have a number of older recordings that are simply recorded too bright. Cables are a poor source equalizer. It is for that reason, I truly enjoy having an HF contour control on my SLs. I have tried using my Behringer third octave EQ in the system just for grins. Everything is rendered brighter still. Resolution suffers. Very hi-fi sounding. Great for knob twiddlers and audio gourmands like the biggest EQ proponent around here, Soundmind. It's a shame he was banned as I enjoyed his humorous rants. :)
theaudiohobbies's need to make everyone else wrong notwithstanding, I think you make the primary point against EQ units, that they actually do more damage than they fix, which is why a lack of tone controls is so common in high end equipment- a desire for the truth in reproduction; without coloration.Unfortunately some LPs and CDs have less than stellar fiddling that has possibly ruined the recording- raising the desire to have EQ to fix each one individually. For my part I avoid playing said recordings too loud to avoid their offensive nature.
I have found though that by ridding myself of equipment that reacts adversely to poor recordings, that those recordings then become bearable enough that I don't miss the EQ.
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You are too funny"theaudiohobbies's need to make everyone else wrong notwithstanding"
interesting analysis....
" I think you make the primary point against EQ units, that they actually do more damage than they fix"
Really...
"which is why a lack of tone controls is so common in high end equipment- a desire for the truth in reproduction; without coloration."
Yet there is preponderance of high output impedance amplifiers driving low input impedance speakers resulting wild db variations, so much for the desire for truth and lack of coloration. These selfsame fellows disdain tone controls yet then invest in cables to 'finetune' their system, talk about putting the cart before the horse.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
"But I will say that until you hear the difference they make in a highly resolving system, your argument will remain the same."The point really was not about hearing differences at all which is another matter entirely, it was about your weightings, fixed equalizers i.e. cables are good but a proper equalizer with predictable and flexible functionality is frowned upon. "high resolving system", that is another can of worms I will refrain from stirring the pot.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
"Once, a bright system is fixed, it is fixed, there is would be no need to adjust from disk to disk."
Believe it or not there are some recordings with a rather "bright" top end. A real time analyzer should confirm that, or it has the "loudness" disease.
See Link below:
d.b.
- http://www.audioholics.com/education/audio-formats-technology/current-trends-in-the-recording-format-arena-p1?searchterm=Current+trends (Open in New Window)
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