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In Reply to: Prometheus TVC (Question) posted by Sweetshoes18 on April 16, 2007 at 13:50:48:
From looking at the list. I agree with Matt. The Promitheus has no peers at this price point...I mean none! Is it the best in the world..no device can truly claim that. Will it give you high end sound when paired with the right components...for sure!By the way, I owned one of those SL-2000a units a few years ago. Sweet sounding little preamp, but there's no confusing it with the Promitheus..totally different league in sound my friend.
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I would like at least 100 watts into 4ohm. I would ideally like it to energy efficient as well (class D,Ice?). My speakers are perhaps on the warm side they are floor standers designed by a friend of mine. They use Seas drivers and Dyn tweeters and their sensitivity is about 86db. Also cheap would be good. I listemn to mostly vinyl.
a great synergy
Hi Chris,
Well that's a tough list. I haven't listened to the Promitheus through any D class amplifiers.I have heard the Promitheus through Marsh,Classe,Audire and Audio Sector. The Audio Sector wouldn't be powerful enough for your speakers I don't think.
The Marsh could be a good fit. You need an amplifier that doesn't take more than 1 volt to full output. Say .75 volt input sensitivity or lower would be a good starting point.Since you use vinyl this will also depend on the output of your phono preamp. There are many variables in making a good match. It's not an exact science either. I've heard amplifiers that were suppose to be fairly sensitive that really weren't.
A Music Reference RM9 comes to mind. It's tubes though but very sensitive and powerful. These make great matches with a TVC.
What is your price range?
> A Music Reference RM9 comes to mind. It's tubes though but very sensitive and powerful. These make great matches with a TVC. <
Ahhhh, yep.....
Oz
Well, I looked and my phono pre does not list output in the specs. I am not sold either on class D it just seemed like an idea as I like conservation and less power consumed the better. My speakers would like more power but they sound good right now on 25wpc in a small room. I have a Bluenote Steroid 1 integrated. My budget would be as little as possible:-)
I was just curious as I had heard so many good things about this TVC
Thanks,
chris
If you have an integrated amplifier, why are you looking at preamps?
I like the sound of my integrated in the small room its in. But....I will before long be moving my rig into a bigger room. So I have been looking at options. I have seen so many positve things said about the TVC that I have become interested. Also, becuase I don't currently have an amp, it makes it all the more feasable as I can buy one that suits the TVC. Beside I like the idea of no power consumtion(not all Americans are into constant consumption, I have an electric bike instead of a second car)
chris
A few weeks ago a buddy brought over a Trends TA 10.1 amp and his ADS 710/2 monitors. This combo with my TVC was the best sound i've heard (until very recently with the Hawthorne SI's) in my L/R...images were everywhere & quite deep and REAL. That tiny amp is SO quiet its eeerie. Anyways, the set-up was odd. We were using the volume knob of the Trends as the volume control with the TVC volume up 100%...so in reality the TVC was like a buffer. Source> TVC> Trends> speakers. Cool thing was we could use 4 difft sources with the Trends amp.With the TVC's volume at 70% and the Trends at 20% the sound sorta sucked, just not that much fun. With the TVC up 100%, the Trends didn't go up more than 30% of volume and played REALLY LOUD but under control and sweet & oh so smooth. Somehow this combo played much louder, and seemingly more efficient, with the TVC inserted. WIth just the trends running the show the volume at 70%-80% still wasn't that great.
The only reason i mention this is there's some sort of synergy between those 2. I e-mailed Nick Chua, the TVC designer, about it and he said it probably was something between the TVC and the T-amps...and that this couldn't be replicated with other integrateds. part of my e-mail to him was asking him to make me an integrated tube amp.
I use my TVC with a Belles 150A HotRod and also a Muse Model 100. The Muse works best with the TVC in terms of gain & Impedence matching and all that. the Belles seems a bit lighter in the power department with the TVC, but its also less powerful than the Muse.
I think 30db of gain is a good thing to have in an amp to mate with a TVC, but the output impedence of the source + the input impedence of the amp is critical in terms of matching/synergy.I have heard one system where the TVC stunk worse than Donkey balls, but it was a custom made matched Wright Sound system. Matching tube monoblocks, tube preamp and funky tube phono preamp. Removing the tube pre & inserting the TVC was a bad experience...total loss of all the magic. However, i think this is an islated case. If you have $25K worth of matched gear, don't get a $400 TVC!
For many folks though, the TVC has been a real revelation. It beats the snot out of the older Belles GR8 resistor based passive pre I had before the TVC.
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