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The mention of a TVC preamp got me very curious and decided to pick one up. Currently on transit. They are NOT very expensive so I figured why not? I have no idea what to expect with this pre.The rest of the system are:
Yamamoto A-08S 45 SET--Amp
Edgarhorn Titan II--Speakers
Cary 200/303--CDP
VPI Super Scout--TT
BAT VK-P10SE w/ Superpack--Phono Stg.I'm currently using an EMOTIVE SIRA pre amp which is very good. Being the "wannabe" that I am--I always welcome something new and different.
Any comments and thoughts from the experts??
Cheers
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just curious. but it's a good decision especially considering your SET/horns setup. you will get a $10.000 unit sound for much less money.please just don't make any conclusions of the first 30 minutes of listening when the TVC arrives. it takes ages to burn the trannies in. use whatever you can: burn-in CD, cookers, pink-noise generators to shorten the process. it's minimum 400 hours for a serious conclusion.
I have to hear what the fuzz is all about. Keep in mind this passive pre is being compared to a 7K pre amp (Emotive Sira). The reason I have Horns and Vinyl is because I do not like coloration whatsoever in my music--I'm hoping the TVC pre can deliver.
...but it's a good intro to the TVC world. Also you will know for later if your system is TVC friendly so you carry on your quest for a perfect TVC for your system if you are not too happy with it. Hopefully you've got the latest gen trannies (Rev 3), they sound better than earlier. But hey, it's around $300 used, that's silly. We spent an evening testing it against my EAR 864 and OK, the TVC was beaten, but only with a help of the clean AC later in the evening, and the price ratio is 1:8.
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... should the best you can get these days without breaking the bank, but let's see what are your objections to promitheus. if it fits well, if you have one of the latest incarnations (easiest to recognize by a metal bottom as well as a metal lid), and if it is well run-un (essential for proper conlusions - it takes ages with the TVCs), it will perform very close to a copper S&B so i am not sure if django or MFA would be a reasonable investment. if it happen you like what is TVC doing, i would seek for a silver S&B.
Oooof...dunno about silver in the trannies. Plus, read the S&B issues on threads at AC, they are a bit of a bust now it sounds like.Enjoy the Promi! If you tired of it i'm sure Nick Chua, the designer, can make better trannies for more $. His current offerings are priced to get 'em in everyone hands for cheap.
Or, if you want to go nuts he now offers an active preamp that's used in conjunction with the TVC....it costs $550. Supposed to be awesome. I'd like to hear that combo against the hi-end pre's...
I know of a few other decently priced TVC's (around $1K) by other firms, but have been told they too are using nick's trannies... stick with the cigar box & get a dope mount for it. The Mapleshade Ultimate Triplepoints + Isoblock'd maple paltforms are sick, sick, sick under this TVC.
no affiliation, but i am a happy TVC user.
The recent events with S&B don’t sit right me. It appears as though - John Chapman did the design work and S&B provided the manufacturing. S&B then decides to sticks his design into their own (Music First) product and cut him off. If true, is morally and legally wrong. I hope Bent sues and / or comes up with something better.
Believe what your ears say - not hearsay.
my feeling is that the S&B trannies are compromized and don't actually represent the last word in the transformer's world as they are promoted. they are very good, but they are not the final frontier of what a great TVC can do. i would say they are decent but not extraordinary. they still have their obvious weak spots - for example my main objection is thay can't handle dynamics as they could resulting in a lack of drive in lower register - with this matter apparently the silver version is a better choice.but for sure there are so many other solutions with the transformer design that are waiting to be tried, tested by an experienced person and brought to the audio masses.
my only objection with whoever worked with S&B is that no one bothered about that fact as long as they all benefited from producing "the best TVC transformers in the world". so my feelings for john are slightly compromised but anyway, he didn't deserved this.
my criticism of S&B sound comes from a perspective of someone who has heard a simple, domestically made TVC with hand-wound transformers that smoked S&B based product badly, but really badly. i know this is hard to accept, but hold your breath, the product should be commercially available until the end of 2007.
the reason why it sounds good is that its designers only respected very old rules of audio transformers, nothing more, nothing less.
john chapmen should, before his next decision, open these old books and read them again. it is all written there.
What were some of the ones you’ve tried?Although music, the warmer side of dead on neutral and slighty subtractive dynamics and pace felt a little reserved or too polite ims. Do you know of something that can do what it does with a more drive / dynamics?
Believe what your ears say - not hearsay.
This comment comes from a vinyl fan who appreciates a good horn-loaded speaker. I am suprised by your characterization of such a setup as uncolored, though I admit most of my skepticism comes from reading third party opinions rather than direct comparison of alternatives. Care to expound upon your view?Thanks,
charlies824
Uncolored system to my ears=SET, Analog front End, Fully Horn Loaded Edgarhorn Titan II. What do you want me to say?? Of course, just my opinion. Very natural sound almost real. No added color--Just as real as you can get--a step below live performance.Disagree?? Define to me if you may, what would you consider an "UNCOLORED" system.
I hope you like the TVC, i have one from Promitheus Audio that works like gangbusters for me...If its brand new, do not judge its performance for at least a month, them trannies take a while to settle down. Its burn-in is the same as any i've experienced with speakers, cables or components, but takes 2x as long.
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