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In Reply to: Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C posted by morricab on April 3, 2007 at 02:09:53:
"And I told you, I set a target curve in the device and let it work until it achieved the target. Obviously you have never used one of these devices before or you wouldn't ask such silly questions."The joke is on you, fool.
"There is no more complete answer. I used a digital equalizer, I set a target curve in the device and let it correct the room response to that target curve. There really isn't anymore to say than that. It doesn't matter to the equalizer what amp is attached it keeps adjusting parameters until the target is met."
Well I knew you are stupid like that! How do you know that the equalizer matched the target curve that you set for amplifier/speaker? Oh I see, you assumed that it was so. Ever heard of a Real-Time Analyser, that is how you validate that the equalizer settings matched the suggested curve, you do not just make an assumption to that effect, but then you are foolish like that. Even the manual itself suggests that it is possible for inaccuracies to occur under certain conditions, Furthermore the manual makes it clear that it is not trivial to retrieve the "true response" after equalization, look at the manual on pg 12, they use an Audio Precision RTA! to illustrate the corrected curve. But then you knew that, hot bag!
"Thanks for (indirectly) answering my question. You have no room correction. Therefore, I can only conclude that you don't take the issue seriously and you like to hear your lips flapping."
You are an enigma as brilliant as you are stupid. A simple trip to my system profile will have saved you from making a fool of yourself, but I suppose mouthing off and then looking like a fool afterwards suits you perfectly, here is an excerpt from my profile (Last Update: March 29, 2007 at 02:17:06)
CD Player/DAC: Sony SCD1 (VSEI L5+ balanced)
Behringer UltraCurve Pro DEQ2496(Analog In/Out)
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The system employs digital equalization in the bass to smooth out and extend bass response. It is also selectively employed in the midrange and extreme treble to fine-tune the system's frequency responseOr do you want me to spoon feed further, as it seems you are stupid like that.
Not much to say, you are a pompous ignoramus and a bigot. There is no point continuing this discussion seeing that you did not know to verify that the adjusted FR equalization matched your intended target curve. A misstep that renders your level-matched comparisons of the said amplifiers totally invalid, As expected you fell at the first hurdle on a basic issue. I suggest you send a letter to your editor telling him to pull those articles till you correct your errors, LOL!
What baffles me is how someone who claims to be learned scientist, you have a PhD in a scientific discipline is so easily blindsided by fairly basic issues. Upon further reflection it is no surprise, your preconceived notions blind you. You are attempting to fit the data to suit your misguided notions. Unfortunately, such misdirected actions make you look stupid every time someone looks closer at your so-called investigation.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Follow Ups:
My System has been posted on the this forum more than once. A simple search by you would have found that I have a Behringer. However; for the record here it is...again:Speakers: Acoustat Spectra 4400, Spectra 2200, or DIY ribbon hybrids
Amp: KR audio VA350i (until recently also had a Sphinx Project 14)
Cd system: Cambridge Audio Diskmagic transport, Monarchy Audio DIP, Behringer DEQ 2496, Monarchy DIP, Monarchy Audio M24 DAC
Analog: Voyd "The Voyd" TT, Helius Cyalene arm, Benz Micro H2O cart, Silvaweld SWH 650 phonostage
Digital xover for ribbon hybrids: Behringer DCX 2496
Cables: Goertz Sapphire interconnects and Kimber 8VS speaker cable
"How do you know that the equalizer matched the target curve that you set for amplifier/speaker? Oh I see, you assumed that it was so. Ever heard of a Real-Time Analyser, that is how you validate that the equalizer settings matched the suggested curve, you do not just make an assumption to that effect, but then you are foolish like that. Even the manual itself suggests that it is possible for inaccuracies to occur under certain conditions, Furthermore the manual makes it clear that it is not trivial to retrieve the "true response" after equalization, look at the manual on pg 12, they use an Audio Precision RTA! to illustrate the corrected curve. But then you knew that, hot bag!
"You are so stupid that it hurts sometimes.
The equalizer I am using has a BUILT in 1/6th octave RTA!!! I use a CALIBRATED microphone that plugs into it (it is a condenser mic if your really need THIS much detail) It also has the signal generator to make the pink noise. You see the changes in real time. Funny how that technology works, eh? Guess which one I have?? The same Behringer you claim to have! That's right you idiot and I am using the same equalizer but only digital in and out. Why you would use it in analog in and out is beyond me because basically it sucks that way.
"You are an enigma as brilliant as you are stupid. A simple trip to my system profile will have saved you from making a fool of yourself"
Can't look at it because its blocked at work (only some parts of the asylum are accessible...guess the IT guys missed something). So f&ç/ you.
"There is no point continuing this discussion seeing that you did not know to verify that the adjusted FR equalization matched your intended target curve. A misstep that renders your level-matched comparisons of the said amplifiers totally invalid, As expected you fell at the first hurdle on a basic issue. I suggest you send a letter to your editor telling him to pull those articles till you correct your errors, LOL!
"So clearly everything you have ASSummed here is completely wrong because now you know what I use so it should FINALLY be clear to you that I can check the measurement at will and use the fine SPL level meter to level match on top of that. So I don't think I have to admit anything to my editor. The levels were matched and verifiably so.
"What baffles me is how someone who claims to be learned scientist, you have a PhD in a scientific discipline is so easily blindsided by fairly basic issues. Upon further reflection it is no surprise, your preconceived notions blind you. You are attempting to fit the data to suit your misguided notions. Unfortunately, such misdirected actions make you look stupid every time someone looks closer at your so-called investigation.
"No blindside I have my bases covered just fine. Only your ASSumptions have forced me to state explicitly what I have and did. I am not attempting to fit data to anything. I am listening and making judgements and then finding support for what I hear as to how it could be correct.
So wrong again Audiohobby, I have been using the Behringer for the last 2 1/2 years. I also have a computer based MLS measuring system that I used when I developed my ribbon hybrid speakers. Its more of a pain to setup but works fine as well (see my review on the Piega C2 ltd. and you will see my in room and 1 meter measurements.). Put that in your pipe and blow me.
Why you continue to hinder useful discussion is beyond me. I tell you I use digital equalization there are only so many on the market and basically all have measurement capabilities. Why would you make such a stupid ASSumption that I can't check the results?? Then you refuse to state what you are using trying to play the "gotcha" game. Grow up.
"Upon further reflection it is no surprise, your preconceived notions blind you"
Blind me about what exactly? I use FR correction the same as you. I readily admit its usefulness. ARe you going to tell me now that all amps sound the same on your system when corrected?
"Unfortunately, such misdirected actions make you look stupid every time someone looks closer at your so-called investigation"
Nope, don't think so, your Gotcha failed again because you didn't know what I was using. Now you know and you realize all of your comments are based on your false ASSumptions.
"Can't look at it because its blocked at work (only some parts of the asylum are accessible...guess the IT guys missed something). So f&ç/ you."You could not access my system profile yet you were and still mouthing off about the information that was contained therein, now that is stupid.
Indeed, you are a pompous idiot.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
based on your non-response to my direct questions it was a logical conclusion. The fact that I was incorrect about you not having any room correction is not as important as you being evasive to try to "trap" me. This kind of behavior is not conducive to constructive dialogue.
Still playing fool, eh?"The equalizer I am using has a BUILT in 1/6th octave RTA!!! I use a CALIBRATED microphone that plugs into it (it is a condenser mic if your really need THIS much detail) It also has the signal generator to make the pink noise. You see the changes in real time.
Big deal, it is called a REAL TIME analyzer, you are supposed to see the changes in real time. If you want to make a curve matching comparison, you need an external tool. Secondly, the internal RTA is too coarse for that purpose. Neither can you compare the curves simultaneously to verify that they are matched, you need an external tool to capture the curves. All your lousy response has confirmed is that you are an ignoramus.
" Funny how that technology works, eh? Guess which one I have?? The same Behringer you claim to have! "I thought you were berating me for not using room correction. Now you are playing a game of one-upmanship, IDIOT.
"That's right you idiot and I am using the same equalizer but only digital in and out. Why you would use it in analog in and out is beyond me because basically it sucks that way."
urh....so now it is time for advice on how to use the device, LOL! Get over yourself, pompous IDIOT.
"Big deal, it is called a REAL TIME analyzer, you are supposed to see the changes in real time. If you want to make a curve matching comparison, you need an external tool. Secondly, the internal RTA is too coarse for that purpose. Neither can you compare the curves simultaneously to verify that they are matched, you need an external tool to capture the curves. All your lousy response has confirmed is that you are an ignoramus.
"Did you bother to read the part of my post regarding my computer based MLS system? Guess you missed that part. Did you see the measurements that I put in my Piega C2 ltd. review yet? I showed them to the company and they thought they were pretty well done. First Dan and now you have serious reading comprehension issues...maybe you caught the disease from him? Besides for a quick check putting the RTA in average mode works pretty ok and allows you to check the response in various bands quite closely. It compares favorably with MLS and 1/6th octave smoothing. For preamps,I matched SPL levels at the listening position after I found that there were no significant FR deviations (I don't need to keep checking this, once is enough). Got a problem with that also?
I find it laughable that you think you understand how to make measurements...all you know how to make are objections! LOL!
"I thought you were berating me for not using room correction. Now you are playing a game of one-upmanship, IDIOT."
Obviously this comment was inserted so you could exercise your proclivity for pointless name calling. And just how is using the same eq as you one-upsmanship?? One upsmanship would be if I had something better than you but as you can see I admitted to using the same thing. Again you seem to lack comprehension of the words you are trying to use. Get a dictionary and thesaurus already so you will quite making so many mistakes.
However; I have had mine longer so are you copying me then? First you get Audiostatics after me and now a Behringer. SHEESH, you should be thanking me. LOL!
"urh....so now it is time for advice on how to use the device, LOL! Get over yourself, pompous IDIOT."
As if everyone on the web who uses this thing doesn't know the analog ins and outs are complete shite. Why do you think there are so many tweaks for them?? So I am telling you something you SHOULD already know but apparently don't or are too lazy to do anything about it. Its one thing to be ignorant but you are a ranting and raving and ignorant. Not very becoming.
I also find it again laughable that you would have such a nice machine as an Allen Wright (who is good personal friend of mine) modded Sony player and then trash it through the Behringer's analog in and analog outputs. Allen would shudder in horror at the thought of all his good sound undone. On that note, you know that Allen's mods have no negative feedback!! Oh the Horror!! Baxandall and would turn in his grave at the thought, eh? Better take those noisy, distorted transistors out and put all those wonderful super linear opamps back in because after all it measures better! LOL! His amps and preamps also have no negative feedback, why not talk to him about it and ask him why he does it that way? Careful you don't get an answer similar to mine.
"Not much to say, you are a pompous ignoramus and a bigot. There is no point continuing this discussion seeing that you did not know to verify that the adjusted FR equalization matched your intended target curve. A misstep that renders your level-matched comparisons of the said amplifiers totally invalid, As expected you fell at the first hurdle on a basic issue. I suggest you send a letter to your editor telling him to pull those articles till you correct your errors, LOL!"
Odd how we both came to the same conclusion. However there is no need to send a letter to his editor: The Web-zine Positive Feedback, who morricrab writes for gave a design award to the Clever Little Clock, and if they are stupid enough to do that..............
Well there's no need for me to go further.
d.b.
I thought you were going to send me your CLC.
"The Web-zine Positive Feedback, who morricrab writes for gave a design award to the Clever Little Clock"Are you surprised? They have morricab as their in-house audio theory guru, ROTLMAO!
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
And you have no idea about theory...period!
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