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In Reply to: Rumors about the prices of ICE Power Modules to OEMs. posted by beppe61 on March 4, 2007 at 07:46:30:
No doubt a fancy chassis, better parts outside the module, and bells and whistles can raise that. There is no justification for a final price over 5 times parts and labor sold through dealers. I don't like ICE amps, however, so it is irrelevant for me.
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same high prices $/watt and higher profit margins. It's all about greed, imo.
The highest priced parts cost are the transformers, power suppy capacitors, chassis and front panel.
Class D amps have none of those.
I'm not bashing class D. I'm just wondering why they cost so much?
Hunh? These circuits don't have a power transformer? You feed the chip AC?
but a very small one.
In a Levinson or Krell for example, the potted, custom transformers are their most expensive parts.
Please excuse me but I have a question.
If the linear PS costs are necessarily high I think that the problem could be to build high quality SMPS a cheap price.
From what I understand it is not a trivial task.
Linn, for one, has the Klimax power amps line.
They have very high quality SMPS but cheap they are not.
As you very well say, when cheap high quality SMPS will be available the price of the amps will go down I think.
So in the end it could not be a problem of class D or class T but of SMPS.Thanks and regards,
beppe
Naw, the ones I have heard with a linear supply don't really sound better, IMO.
Hi Norm,
If you look at average Profit & Loss Statements from small to medium manufacturers, the "5 times parts" (not including labor) is really very close to the correct number for a sustainable business. Much less than 5x and many manufacturing companies go out of business, or at least, struggle to stay in business.I know it may sound outrageous, highway robbery, etc., but the economics of operating a manufacturing business with plant, equipment, utilities, inventory, marketing, payroll, insurance, licenses, taxes, office operations, legal, accounting, etc., etc., mandates pretty close to 5x - as a minimum.
Happy listening.
Regards,
JerryS
MBA & small company president
The whole, "I need a high markup", thing is what is driving people to look at the products from China. Granted, the Chinese producer is likely taking just as high a markup, only his costs are lower.Kiss your arse goodbye, western producer.
Bill Bailey
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See my stereo config ... but always looking for cost effective improvements
Thanks a lot. Very interesting.
Kind regards,
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