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In Reply to: Vintage vs New - McIntosh vs Rogue? posted by benhen on February 23, 2007 at 09:44:55:
actually, i have no point of reference for the rogues, so i can't comment. how much are they new? look sorta like beefed up Dyna ST70s.BUT, I've owned both the MC225 and the MC240. the 240 is purdy, but i like the sonics of the 225 much better. both were restored. the 225 is probably mac's sweetest sounding amp. it will put out 38wpc before clipping for reference.
one thing to keep in mind is that you can always at least get your money back out of the macs if you no likey. maybe even make a profit. the rogue is a losing investment from a monetary sense.
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Your Macs will probably not depreciate any more than they have.
I just think that good new gear has the potential to sound better because the individual parts are usually better. There are exceptions though. I had a new ASL that used very poor parts. It was not very good sounding either. In the case of Mac their transformers have not been surpassed, however. Modifying them with better parts to improve musicality or lower noise can actually hurt resale value.
There are good tubes available but there was a better choice of truly high quality tubes available then. Although during the industry wide changeover to solid state, tube quality did generally suffer. I've had a lot of NOS duds over the years. It may have been due to rough handling though.
junior!
Rogues are increasing in value.
Did you not admit you know nothing?
Don't polute the waters with crap.
Study up.
still waiting for you to impress me with all your technical knowledge. zzzzzzzz......the question remains:
WHAT MAKES THE ROGUE TECHNICALLY BETTER THAN A MCINTOSH MC225???????BTW, i just read in your bio that you are a community college professor. wow, you must be a real hoot of a teacher.
i can just see it now:
"umm, professor, i have question..."
"shut up you little retard! why don't you do the world's genetic pool a favor and kill yourself!"
LOL!
I'm having some anger issues as a result of recent events. The asylum is supposed to be fun but sometimes I let it get the best of me.
New gear is not necessarily beter, it's true. There is/was good stuff available and vice versa. There are many more choices today. True junk is harder to find now than in past times. Component parts quality is much better now, across the board. Resistors have much lower noise and longer life, film capacitors are light years ahead of the old paper and ceramics. Electrolytics of old saw short life, higher failures and poorer performance than today's best.
Keep in mind that Mac and Marantz was very expensive gear in the '60s. Dynaco was mainstream. Some of the older gear must surely sound better than the ASL I bought a few years ago. It was a dog. Cheap parts and only average sound. I should have researched it more closely but there were no local dealers. I have an ARC D75 which despite being restored, sounds only so-so.
I'm a big fan of ARC, C-J, Quicksilver and Rogue. They are all high quality at different price points. ARC and C-J seem to be more expensive than they should be, but I'm sure it is expensive to produce such quality in relatively low numbers, provide worker healthcare, etc.
vintage classics. If that is true, I don't see where he can give an objective opinion.
and which one you just "like" better, whether it's due to appearance, price, reputation or panache. Which one is better with respect to implementation of new (over the past 40 years) technologies is really irrelevent at this stage, because it cannot be immediately understood without foundation.
It seems that you want to dissect the two with a simple explanation of every single component's attributes and reason for inclusion. This is exactly what you cannot have at once. Understand that 40 years of component evolution and the design philosophy of such a component could fill volumes and take years to understand. If you are ready to buy then take a little time to study your options. If you want to understand the technological advancements made in the late '60s, '70s, '80s and '90s until now, and how they affect what you would hear now, understand that this is not simply rolled off the tongue. Also by component I mean every individual part, not the device as whole.
Whatever your ultimate quest, I hope you find it and I wish you well.
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