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The point is not that an orchestra couldn't play without a conductor in charge

Posted by Chris from Lafayette on January 8, 2017 at 00:34:25:

The question is: what "value add" does the conductor provide just by being there? I think you're possibly exaggerating what I wrote about Kertesz set: I said it sounded A BIT anonymous - I didn't say it was completely bland or lame, although I'll say again that, to my ears, it does have less of a point of view than the Neumann digital recordings (or, in the New World, the Fricsay, Ancerl, Klemperer, Reiner, Paray, Giulini, Harnoncourt, etc., recordings) do. I owned some (not all) of the Kertesz recordings back in my LP days, and then got the complete Kertesz set on CD sometime in the 90's (since jettisoned), and I still have the Kertesz "The Originals" disc of symphonies 8 and 9 - so it's not as if I haven't kept in touch with these performances.

And, BTW, there IS a Czech conductor whose Dvorak performances I've considered similarly anodyne to the Kertesz performances, and that's Belohlavek. I haven't heard his new set of the Dvorak symphonies (just released last year, I think), but his earlier Dvorak performances had what I consider a similarly weak profile to the Kertesz performances. And yet. . . Ivan Moravec spoke very highly to me of Belohlavek, and I've been told that the Detroit Symphony members loved working with him - probably similar to the respect that the Cleveland Orchestra members had for Kertesz (per pbarach's post below). So there you go: de gustibus and all that.