In Reply to: RE: Newbie questions posted by soundchekk on April 5, 2012 at 00:23:55:
One more:Did anybody ever read about a DAC review, where the
immunity respectively rejection on incoming distortions has been evaluated.E.g. Does an audiophile player application such as Cplay makes a difference YES/NO. How much of a difference does it make?
I don't think so. I've never seen such as thing.
Is it done done on purpose??
Fact is, the manufacturers of High-End gear recommend to improve your source to make their products look good or look/sound better.
It's usually much easier and cheaper for them to recommend something like that instead of improving their electronics.The reviewers and later customers usually follow that advise, without questioning it.
######################################################################The key problem by tweaking the transport side is:
Not any different source/transport setup will produce the same sound quality on the same DAC.
And don't believe that you'll ever be finished with an awful and expensive transport tweaking!!! It'll go on forever.
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The funny thing is that lower level products gain much more by using a
well done Transport (HW and SW), then high-end & high-priced products.It could easily be that a 250$ DAC product + well done transport or reclocker sounds better than a 1k+ DAC hooked up to a basic transport and would still be much cheaper than the 1k+ device.
Those high-end & high-price manufacturers recommend to use best transport setups to avoid such a disaster.
They need to keep at least a little distance to those low cost solutions.
The difference between low and high quality gear would usually be much more evident if both sides were fed by low quality transports.But obviously the reality is a different one.
So. Better watch out, when reading the next glorifying review of a new DAC device. What they refer to is typcally a combination of DAC & Transport. You never really know how well the DAC itself performs.To me the key criteria for choosing my next device is how immune it is on incoming distortions and how well it handles/refreshes that information.
And Beware: Some manufacturers even claim immunity. From my SBT project feedback I learned that even those devices that are supposedly immune respond to changes on the transport side.
My goal is to end up hooking up any device ( PC/SB Touch/iPad/iPhone/Android device/ you name it) to my DAC/Full Digital Amp ending up with the same sound quality. (Assumption: bit transparent sample transfers).Enjoy.
Cheers
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- RE: Newbie questions - soundchekk 03:29:30 04/05/12 (51)
- DAC jitter rejection - audioengr 13:05:39 04/05/12 (14)
- "If you were an engineer" you'd back it up with measurements nt. - dRRD 03:43:23 04/06/12 (9)
- RE: "If you were an engineer" you'd back it up with measurements nt. - fmak 03:23:34 04/07/12 (0)
- RE: "If you were an engineer" you'd back it up with measurements nt. - audioengr 11:36:59 04/06/12 (7)
- RE: "If you were an engineer" you'd back it up with measurements nt. - fmak 03:20:26 04/07/12 (6)
- jitter measurements - audioengr 09:56:35 04/07/12 (5)
- RE: jitter measurements - rick_m 08:38:48 04/08/12 (2)
- RE: jitter measurements - audioengr 18:40:48 04/08/12 (1)
- Thanks! - rick_m 20:19:18 04/08/12 (0)
- RE: jitter measurements-You - fmak 00:04:10 04/08/12 (1)
- RE: jitter measurements-You - audioengr 18:38:15 04/08/12 (0)
- RE: DAC jitter rejection - soundchekk 01:57:57 04/06/12 (3)
- RE: DAC jitter rejection - Recorder 10:59:25 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: DAC jitter rejection - audioengr 10:49:44 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: DAC jitter rejection - Mercman 04:24:25 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Newbie questions - rick_m 09:36:51 04/05/12 (0)
- Review DACs with bad transports, not good transports. - Tony Lauck 09:23:11 04/05/12 (34)
- RE: Review DACs with bad transports, not good transports. - audioengr 13:14:28 04/05/12 (28)
- RE: Review DACs with bad transports, not good transports. - Tony Lauck 13:48:01 04/05/12 (27)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - fmak 06:29:03 04/06/12 (25)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Tony Lauck 06:59:25 04/06/12 (23)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Dynobot 07:48:16 04/06/12 (22)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Mercman 08:07:08 04/06/12 (21)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Dynobot 09:47:11 04/06/12 (6)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Mercman 09:51:05 04/06/12 (5)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?And the - fmak 11:22:22 04/06/12 (1)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?And the - Mercman 11:27:18 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Dynobot 09:56:28 04/06/12 (2)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Mercman 09:58:10 04/06/12 (1)
- Seriously - Dynobot 10:10:46 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - fmak 09:15:12 04/06/12 (13)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Mercman 09:48:26 04/06/12 (12)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Tony Lauck 12:17:04 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - fmak 10:10:07 04/06/12 (10)
- Computer Audiophile? Light reading and sometimes amusing....Not Really. - Dynobot 10:19:56 04/06/12 (1)
- RE: Computer Audiophile? Light reading and sometimes amusing....Not Really. - fmak 11:24:06 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Mercman 10:12:31 04/06/12 (7)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?Observation= - fmak 11:25:33 04/06/12 (6)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?Observation= - Mercman 15:29:41 04/06/12 (5)
- Let's call the whole thing off. - Tony Lauck 07:03:58 04/07/12 (1)
- Wow real music - Dynobot 17:59:16 04/10/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?Observation=Forum? - fmak 21:58:14 04/06/12 (2)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?Observation=Forum? - Mercman 05:18:05 04/07/12 (1)
- RE: Review DACs with transports?Observation=Forum? - fmak 06:11:16 04/07/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with transports? - Dynobot 06:48:05 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with bad transports, not good transports. - soundchekk 05:44:41 04/06/12 (0)
- RE: Review DACs with bad transports, not good transports. - Dynobot 09:40:37 04/05/12 (4)
- All you would need would be a cardboard box... - Tony Lauck 10:28:26 04/05/12 (3)
- RE: All you would need would be a cardboard box... - Dynobot 11:44:26 04/05/12 (2)
- RE: All you would need would be a cardboard box... - Tony Lauck 12:09:52 04/05/12 (1)
- Ahhhhh - Dynobot 12:20:02 04/05/12 (0)