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Rick - you're going back a couple of generations at least. . .

. . . when you bring up the Pentagon Papers. And yes, I remember that they did have a couple of columnists at the time who questioned what the Deep State was telling us. The fact of the matter is that since then, the NYT hasn't met a war it didn't like. And, in the 21st century, the Times has functioned more or less as a megaphone for the war-eager Deep State.

As far as irony is concerned, that consists in your own supposed skepticism for the MIC while, at the same time, showing your willingness to believe whatever Lieutenant Colonel Vindman claims - no doubt because he says what you already want to hear. Actually, what Vindman was pushing was an interagency consensus of the Deep State bureaucracy which he felt should control our foreign policy (rather than having our elected representatives control it).

Going back with you a couple of generations to Westmoreland again, he had a personal stake in promoting a certain interpretation (as well as selective omission) of "the facts" in Viet Nam. It is not clear at all to me that General Frank McKenzie has a similar stake in a particular outcome of the Times fiasco investigation. In fact, he has stated repeatedly that he is ready to take appropriate action (should the Times' rather unlikely assertion of "Russian bounties" be supported by actual evidence).

The reason I post about the NYT when they're caught with their pants down (and, yes, that's fairly often these days!) is that I'd like folks to think a bit before they reflexively take the word of the NYT as a reliable source of information. As I see it, the Times just seems to reprint whatever their "unnamed" intel sources have told them, without too much thinking about it, the better to keep their access to these sources open for the next round of "stories".

As far as your whataboutism is concerned (i.e., why don't I post about right-wing media), the NYT is operating with the tailwind of inertia: it's been around for so long that folks are just raised with the assumption that it's a credible publication. IMHO, that is not always the case, especially in the last couple of decades. The right-wing media has no such tailwind of inertia. I also think it's telling that you place the NYT in opposition to right-wing media, although, these days, the so-called left (and I mean the corporate left of which the Times is a prime example) is actually to the right of the right wing on a number of issues.

Please consider taking eight minutes to watch what I feel is a fairly reliable source of information these days. (BTW, Krystal Ball used to work for MSNBC, before leaving that network in disgust.) They are discussing this very topic of the "Russian bounties":








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