Hi for whoever interested.I read a thread here last week inquiring if freezing a cap would degrade its sound. IMO, it is a pretty interesting subject which was discussed a lot in Cable Asylum last year. Let me round it up here.
Yes, deep freezing treatment does improve sound. Years back, I did DIY deep freezing (-30C in my basement freezer), to my silver interconnects, silver power cords, Teflon jacketed silver plated oxygen-free copper hook-up wires, tubes, caps, even my CLC line-filter chasis-mount power inlets, etc. I find their sonics are improved, period.
Deep freezing treatment to metals has been a bigtime business for decades, in automobile, power transmission, telecom, aerospace, etc,
to improve their performance. 3M, for example, established superconductivity in high purity aluminum in its deep freezing process.The proper terminolgoy of this industrial deep-freezing process is: cryogenics. It involves deep freezing down to -190C (=-310F), in a strictly (computerized) controlled environment. Improper implementation of the process will result physical damage to the material being treated due to thermal shocks.
There are many labs that carry out cryo-treatments to audio parts, components for the public, e.g. Jena Lab, Advanced Cryogenics, CryoPro, in USA, & Frozen Solid DCT, Cryogenics Services
in the U.K., etc. The process normally takes a few days (ramping
down in say, 12 hours or more, deep-freezing for say, 24 horus, & then
ramping up for some 16 hours or so to ambient temps, depending on the process) & costs as low as USD10 a lb of material. Pretty affordable, isn't it?Why deep-freezing improves sound? Most solid materials are made from
its liquid form through a shocking process. This process results the solid structure in a very irregular & irratic lattice, quite different
from its orginal natural lattice layout. It is this deviation exerting the unwanted 'residual stress' across the lattice structure. In simple layman's language, the molecules are 'dislocated'.By deep freezing the material in a PROPER-run procedure, the 'residual
stress' will be relieved (ie the 'stress' on the atomic bonds is dissipated) & the material will return to its orginal natural molecular layout. No more dislocation of its microstructure.
It provides much better flow of electronics across the conductor's
molecules, thus improving sound.Trumpets & other brass musical instruments have been found sound
better after cryo-ing. So do pianos & guitars with their metal
strings so treated.It sounds like magic! It also improves sound of a vacuum valve (or tube). How? The deep-freezing eliminates the residual molecular stress in the metals used to build the tube, & cut down the Q resonances which inherently 'live' inside the tube.
We have heard "fancy" claims that cryo-ing or even deep-freezing will
better the music recorded in a CD! Unbelievable sales pitch or what?
No, there is some scientifc explanations.Enechoic sonic measurement shows the focus servo current of the
CD player under test peaks bigtime at around 800Hz, causing the CD
resonates with it. Deep-freezing or cryo-ing will NOT shift away
the resonance frequency, but damp down the Q resonanes. Lab tests
show damping materials help to some extent, but NOT as effective as cryogenics.It has been "insiders' secrets" for years that quite some audio component/equipment makers, including speaker builders, have their electronic parts, & hardwares etc. cryoed before assembly.
IMO, cryo or deep-freeze help improve sounds.
Good deep-freeze listening
cheap-Jack
Jan 20, 2004.PS: I'll present my DIY deep-freeze report, plus some DIY LN2 cryo
experiences of others, on request.
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Topic - re: will freezing improve sound? - cheap-Jack 09:24:42 01/20/04 (69)
- NOT if your EARS fall-off !! .................. <nt> - drlowmu 20:03:35 01/22/04 (0)
- Ignorant question regarding science... - rodney 09:44:39 01/21/04 (8)
- Rodney, You don't have to be a material science guy. - John G 10:04:19 01/21/04 (7)
- Follow up... - rodney 10:46:37 01/21/04 (4)
- Re: Follow up... - John G 12:07:38 01/21/04 (3)
- Very funny, but unfortanately you did not answer my question... - rodney 12:17:16 01/21/04 (2)
- Re: Very funny, but unfortanately you did not answer my question... - John G 12:44:29 01/21/04 (1)
- Did not mean to ride you, - rodney 13:18:23 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: Rodney, You don't have to be a material science guy. - fatbottle 10:10:25 01/21/04 (1)
- Re: Rodney, You don't have to be a material science guy. - Pär 11:26:18 01/21/04 (0)
- an offer - Sector-7G 07:41:53 01/21/04 (18)
- A better offer - Scholl 17:40:16 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: I think it's crap for tubes but not for everything - Russ57 11:30:54 01/21/04 (7)
- Martensite conversion... - Sector-7G 14:41:21 01/21/04 (6)
- Re: Martensite conversion... - Damir 00:54:16 01/22/04 (1)
- Re: Martensite conversion... - Sector-7G 05:49:17 01/22/04 (0)
- What the heck...If you don't mind...I'd like to participate... - gonefishin 16:53:32 01/21/04 (3)
- hmmm... - gonefishin 16:55:42 01/21/04 (2)
- how is that? - Sector-7G 19:43:16 01/21/04 (1)
- Re: how is that? - gonefishin 20:41:06 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: an offer - fatbottle 07:50:42 01/21/04 (8)
- Exactly what is "proper cryo" - John G 09:43:25 01/21/04 (7)
- Re: Exactly what is "proper cryo" - fatbottle 10:01:00 01/21/04 (6)
- What make you think that's "proper"? - John G 10:11:42 01/21/04 (5)
- Re: What make you think that's "proper"? - Sector-7G 11:20:49 01/21/04 (2)
- Re: What make you think that's "proper"? - REL54 12:51:41 01/21/04 (1)
- Re: What make you think that's "proper"? - Sector-7G 14:35:28 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: What make you think that's "proper"? - fatbottle 11:01:34 01/21/04 (1)
- This is late but that's might be the funniest thing ever. Thanks NTX - John G 17:15:45 01/22/04 (0)
- -30 degrees C? - Lew 07:24:45 01/21/04 (0)
- -30 degrees C? - Lew 07:24:45 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - tubetwang 06:06:05 01/21/04 (0)
- Heresy - will freezing improve sound? - danlaudionut 18:43:30 01/20/04 (8)
- Heresy - "does degausing CDs work?" - cheap-Jack 12:17:34 01/21/04 (1)
- Re: "does degausing CDs work?" - danlaudionut 15:27:35 01/21/04 (0)
- NO Heresy - " freezing improves sound?" - cheap-Jack 10:34:12 01/21/04 (3)
- Jack...are you saying that your deep freeze does the same thing to the metal as cryogenics...just not as much?-nt - gonefishin 16:22:32 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: NO Heresy - " freezing improves sound?" - Pär 13:07:43 01/21/04 (0)
- Jack, A question please. - John G 10:52:39 01/21/04 (0)
- All good points... - gonefishin 20:53:58 01/20/04 (1)
- Re: All good points... - danlaudionut 22:27:49 01/20/04 (0)
- try listening to my stereo in the unheated basement! <nt> - kstagger 17:41:25 01/20/04 (0)
- If the Big Dog brings brandy — yes. <nt> - Paul Butterfield 15:14:42 01/20/04 (1)
- I like that! Bravo! - j.l.guillebeau@att.net 15:31:05 01/20/04 (0)
- Well... - gonefishin 13:02:15 01/20/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - Pär 11:26:21 01/20/04 (8)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - REL54 13:23:30 01/20/04 (7)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - danlaudionut 16:06:46 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - Dave-A 19:03:15 01/20/04 (5)
- Cryo ? But freezing definitely questionable - fatbottle 05:06:09 01/21/04 (4)
- Re: Cryo ? But freezing definitely questionable - Ivan303 17:26:41 01/21/04 (2)
- Re: Mushrooms - Dave-A 07:25:19 01/22/04 (0)
- Re: Cryo ? But freezing definitely questionable - fatbottle 21:39:27 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: Cryo ? Coefficient of expension - Dave-A 05:54:22 01/21/04 (0)
- This isn't the cable asylum - John G 11:16:20 01/20/04 (4)
- Re: This isn't the cable asylum - cheap-Jack 11:15:23 01/21/04 (3)
- what are you talking about? - Sector-7G 14:47:33 01/21/04 (2)
- Re: what are you talking about? - danlaudionut 15:56:12 01/21/04 (1)
- if you'd heard them *before* the cold treatment... - Sector-7G 16:28:15 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - Jim Doyle 10:15:15 01/20/04 (7)
- Do components shipped through Canada sound better then those shipped through Mexico? <nt> - SPARKS 19:07:40 01/20/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - marnold 18:56:44 01/20/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - fatbottle 10:37:58 01/20/04 (3)
- I'm a much better looking and smarter person since I .......... - tianguis 15:11:43 01/20/04 (2)
- Re: use a smaller photo.... - bean 05:42:47 01/21/04 (0)
- Re: I'm a much better looking and smarter person since I .......... - fatbottle 15:27:12 01/20/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - Triode Kingdon 10:33:47 01/20/04 (0)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - Triode Kingdon 10:07:10 01/20/04 (1)
- Re: re: will freezing improve sound? - dave slagle 10:16:24 01/20/04 (0)