In Reply to: Subjectivity is a construct, as well posted by Jay Buridan on September 4, 2012 at 17:24:22:
As we use it, the concept of subjectivity can be traded back to Descartes, as far as I know.
Then, as among the proud objectivists here, it was framed in a suspicious light as something that could be overcome by objective rationality. The promise of the Enlightenment.
I'd avoid the word entirely except it is in vogue around the DIY forums.
The notion of a socio-cultural construct is much more multidimensional and robust, incorporating the cognitive aspects associated with the other word, plus the notions that it is shared (social) and also that a certain "objective" dimension is formed as people put these beliefs to work in the world of social action.
As one of my wisest teachers told me, "What man believes to be true, is true in its consequences."
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Follow Ups
- RE: Subjectivity is a construct, as well - Joe Roberts 19:02:27 09/04/12 (18)
- Yes indeed, 'Subjectivity' started with Descartes - Jay Buridan 16:26:03 09/05/12 (0)
- Enlightenment - wheezer 07:14:12 09/05/12 (0)
- The quote is pure American pragmatism - Frihed89 21:48:05 09/04/12 (8)
- RE: The quote is pure American pragmatism - Joe Roberts 23:11:02 09/04/12 (7)
- Here's the foundation of American Pragmatism due to CS Peirce - Frihed89 06:30:02 09/05/12 (1)
- RE: Here's the foundation of American Pragmatism due to CS Peirce - Joe Roberts 08:31:27 09/05/12 (0)
- RE: The quote is pure American pragmatism - Frihed89 00:51:43 09/05/12 (4)
- RE: The quote is pure American pragmatism - Joe Roberts 07:28:21 09/05/12 (3)
- This isn't an issue in CA - GSH 15:22:08 09/05/12 (2)
- RE: This isn't an issue in CA - Joe Roberts 17:04:13 09/05/12 (1)
- More? (nt) - GSH 17:29:35 09/05/12 (0)
- RE: Subjectivity is a construct, as well - cpotl 20:15:28 09/04/12 (6)
- RE: Subjectivity is a construct, as well - Joe Roberts 20:30:15 09/04/12 (5)
- RE: Subjectivity is a construct, as well - cpotl 20:33:19 09/04/12 (4)
- Maaate, read the Ackoff artilce, a couple of times, g'warn - Timbo in Oz 01:38:29 09/05/12 (0)
- RE: Subjectivity is a construct, as well - Joe Roberts 22:40:06 09/04/12 (0)
- Chris - GSH 20:56:19 09/04/12 (1)
- RE: Chris - cpotl 21:10:06 09/04/12 (0)