In Reply to: Lack of Substance posted by Triode_Kingdom on August 28, 2012 at 05:54:17:
You're entitled to your opinion.
And, I enjoyed your post with TRE on listening and how unwanted artifacts are noticed over time.
I would, however, caution about using any form of NFB to correct high-frequency phase anomalies-- and that phony "sparkle" that both of you notice so well. That's good-- it shows that both of you can hear well, and can discern the differences.
In my own case, those anomalies show up when I'm doing something else, NOT having a listening session. I'll notice anything that's a bit off while doing something else, and just enjoying music. It will invade the room in an unexpected way-- it will be obvious it isn't right.
Then, one can decide what is causing the rift-- and can try to eliminate it by design-- not by trying to "fix" it-- unless it is an obvious fault-- like a slightly sub-standard tube, or an interference with a source component.
I don't use ill-concieved designs. To assume that is WAY off the mark!
You seem to prefer "objective" discussion involving numbers, graphs and fixes. Most people involved in this hobby do-- that isn't a fault. It IS-- however, a LIMITATION.
I said something about this topic in another post-- one can get all of these numbers and formulas in any good public library, from forum members, or from texts, both printed and online.
To constantly re-hash this stuff all the time on this forum may be called "substance"-- and it is-- but it should already be there, or should be being asked for, or looked up.
If one wants THE BEST possible performance from these simple music systems, then he'll have to graduate beyond mere formulas and science-- he'll actually have to design with MUSIC in mind.....
NOTHING in this area has advanced anywhere near as far as has wire--"boutique" wire. Some of the best engineering ever done on anything is right now being done on wire for audio. You can dismiss that at your own disadvantage. A very LARGE disadvantage, it has proven to be lately.
You have it right in that any system that assigns the same artifacts to all music is dead-wrong. Such a system is REALLY screwed-up-- bigtime..
Each recording does, and should, sound different. After all, they are all different.
Your seeming belief that it is necessary to quash new ideas and original thinking is not necessary for anything. The smart thing to do is read and learn!
I do that! I put the GOOD stuff right into my "forum" file. Later, I can look at it, and learn from you!
---Dennis---
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- RE: Lack of Substance - tube wrangler 09:59:40 08/28/12 (70)
- RE: the many and the few... - deathtube 667 11:35:52 08/28/12 (69)
- Statism?Totalitarianism? Why the politics? - Ray Moth 16:56:20 09/01/12 (6)
- RE: ??? - deathtube 667 19:10:15 09/01/12 (5)
- Statists are . . . - Ray Moth 19:59:00 09/01/12 (4)
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- RE: Statists are . . . - Ray Moth 22:46:43 09/01/12 (2)
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- RE: Statists are . . . - Ray Moth 17:35:34 09/07/12 (0)
- RE: the many and the few... - gusser 18:28:39 08/28/12 (24)
- RE: the many and the few... - tube wrangler 20:24:12 08/28/12 (21)
- RE: 100% correct... - deathtube 667 17:03:31 08/29/12 (19)
- Sycophancy - op48no1 23:29:06 08/29/12 (18)
- RE: you are wrong... - deathtube 667 17:42:24 08/30/12 (17)
- Dennis's and Jeff's eternal legacy - op48no1 23:52:02 08/30/12 (15)
- RE: are you for real? - deathtube 667 04:30:04 08/31/12 (14)
- Are YOU for real, or just a drama queen?? - Ray Moth 17:12:07 09/01/12 (10)
- RE: Are YOU for real, or cyberbully?... - deathtube 667 18:22:31 09/01/12 (9)
- RE: Are YOU for real, or cyberbully?...LOL! - Ray Moth 14:59:25 09/05/12 (1)
- RE: OK, you got me ... LOL!!! - deathtube 667 16:33:58 09/05/12 (0)
- I vote for drama queen. - op48no1 18:28:07 09/01/12 (6)
- RE: nice try... - deathtube 667 18:36:35 09/01/12 (5)
- RE: nice try... - op48no1 20:01:43 09/01/12 (4)
- RE: sorry... - deathtube 667 04:55:45 09/02/12 (3)
- RE: sorry... - op48no1 09:52:50 09/02/12 (2)
- RE: i tried... - deathtube 667 10:37:31 09/02/12 (1)
- RE: i tried... - op48no1 11:31:45 09/02/12 (0)
- RE: are you for real? - LinuxGuru 04:55:01 08/31/12 (2)
- Some things can be fixed. - op48no1 09:15:14 08/31/12 (1)
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- RE: you are wrong... - Tre' 21:53:58 08/30/12 (0)
- RE: the many and the few... - Stephen R 12:01:33 08/29/12 (0)
- RE: the many and the few... - cpotl 19:58:29 08/28/12 (1)
- RE: the many and the few... - drlowmu 00:10:24 08/29/12 (0)
- RE: the many and the few... - Triode_Kingdom 16:48:26 08/28/12 (0)
- RE: the many and the few... - mach1 16:45:19 08/28/12 (35)
- RE: the many and the few... - tube wrangler 20:49:25 08/28/12 (34)
- RE: the many and the few... - cpotl 21:17:09 08/28/12 (33)
- Slagle is the actual scientist here... - Joe Roberts 09:58:41 09/01/12 (29)
- RE: Slagle is the actual scientist here... - cpotl 12:53:43 09/01/12 (28)
- RE: Slagle is the actual scientist here... - Joe Roberts 11:20:23 09/02/12 (27)
- RE: Slagle is the actual scientist here... - cpotl 14:43:48 09/02/12 (26)
- RE: Slagle is the actual scientist here... - Joe Roberts 16:34:19 09/02/12 (25)
- RE: Slagle is the actual scientist here... - cpotl 18:00:05 09/02/12 (24)
- RE: Slagle is the actual scientist here... - Joe Roberts 19:52:04 09/02/12 (23)
- Interesting Factoid - gusser 10:25:30 09/03/12 (22)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - Joe Roberts 11:34:06 09/03/12 (19)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - gusser 13:46:58 09/03/12 (18)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - LinuxGuru 14:02:46 09/03/12 (3)
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- RE: Interesting Factoid - LinuxGuru 04:12:02 09/04/12 (1)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - gusser 11:03:18 09/04/12 (0)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - Joe Roberts 14:02:40 09/03/12 (13)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - gusser 15:15:35 09/03/12 (12)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - Joe Roberts 17:24:23 09/03/12 (7)
- Skin effect! - gusser 11:35:32 09/04/12 (1)
- RE: Skin effect! - Joe Roberts 12:24:02 09/04/12 (0)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - cpotl 17:50:34 09/03/12 (4)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - Joe Roberts 18:27:56 09/03/12 (3)
- Addendum - Joe Roberts 18:50:47 09/03/12 (2)
- RE: Addendum - cpotl 19:34:31 09/03/12 (1)
- RE: Addendum - Stephen R 05:33:11 09/04/12 (0)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - cpotl 16:41:33 09/03/12 (3)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - Joe Roberts 20:13:10 09/03/12 (2)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - cpotl 23:47:36 09/03/12 (1)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - Joe Roberts 00:53:22 09/04/12 (0)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - dave slagle 10:40:59 09/03/12 (1)
- RE: Interesting Factoid - gusser 10:57:27 09/03/12 (0)
- RE: the many and the few... - drlowmu 07:50:13 08/29/12 (1)
- RE: the many and the few... - cpotl 08:23:29 08/29/12 (0)
- Thanks Chris, Well Said! - Triode_Kingdom 21:40:00 08/28/12 (0)