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In Reply to: RE: Measurement and Perception and the Value of Each (Long Post) posted by geoffkait on November 3, 2012 at 06:41:15:
You say, "it might be fruitless to try to correlate specific measured parameters to specific sonic attributes." Well actually all the sonic attributes you mention and many others already have specific measuremnt parameters that are well understood. Or at least the physics contibuting to these are understood. Both in terms of what is required from the system and how the ear/brain mechanisms detects and processes into a sound.
To simply discount known science, and take people marketing highly profitable items at their words has never been wise. This is why I used the term Snake Oil. It alegedly cured all types ailments, even ones we haven't cured today, and it was sold at high profit on the correct presumption that most people didn't understand medical science. And it wasn't even snake oil, it was petroleum. And many people swore to it's healing properties based on their perception.
And at the beginning of hi-end things were expensive, but not to the level we see today. I have not exagerated margins. Several $25,000 DAC's using the same chip set as many MP3 players exist. $15,000 loudspeakers are the average for hi-end these days. Preamps and amplifier in the $10,000 and up range are common. And I know most of them do not cost even a tenth of what they are sold for, including design and development.
The point is, it is not gamble for a manufacture to make a marginal product, price it very, very high to give perceived value, market it well and sell many. Aspecialy when they know the market is full of people who have fallen prey to deceptions that skew their perception. All based on faith.
What I say to people in this hobby (as a person in the know so-to-speak) is know the details, know the facts, learn the science and you will find what you hear changes. You will hear what is a real wide soundstage versus one created by reflections, which are out of phase and indirect. You will find that you will enjoy the recordings more and worry less about getting the "next best newest that promises audio nirvana".
Oh and BTW, the last magazine that used its own labs to test products was Audio and they went away decades ago. The industry nailed that coffin by not advertising in it anymore, once they began talking about the real specs and performance of ultra hi-end products. No magazine now would dare to published anything other than the published spec of the manufacturer. And some accept full copy for the articles from the manufacturers. Ask Harry Pearson; right now with his disgust with what has happened to his mag AS, he is very quick to divulge the dirty little secrets going on today with magazines and hi-end. Both industries are trying to survive the MP3 generation.
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Follow Ups
- RE: Measurement and Perception and the Value of Each (Long Post) - jrlaudio 11:13:19 11/03/12 (2)
- Hmmm............. - unclestu 14:37:49 11/03/12 (0)
- RE: Measurement and Perception and the Value of Each (Long Post) - geoffkait 12:11:38 11/03/12 (0)
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