Re: No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective

RG - If you can't accept the consistently positive subjective reviews of Orion speakers from a wide variety of audiophiles, including non-Golden Ear DIY speaker builders, at a wide variety of websites, as good anecdotal evidence of a superior speaker, then you need another hobby.

Hmmm. My tongue in cheek commentary flies over the head of Mr. Tongue in cheek? Must be the you-are-now-a-subjectivist thing where everything is taken seriously and literally.

RG - Orions have significant electronic EQ which is included in the price.
It should be acceptable to compare Orions with EQ'd monopoles.
If EQ is acceptable for the Orions, then it would be acceptable for other speakers. I suppose Golden Ears who just hate EQ might want to avoid Orions

Once again Richard, the Orion is an active system with *fixed* eq built into the design. For active room eq, one would still need an outboard equalizer. If you want to compare it to an active monopole with eq built into the filter network, go right ahead. There are plenty active monitors with inherent eq. What anechoic eq would you apply to the monopole that would allow it to complete more evenly with the Orion when placed in a room? The system Kerr listened to was not described as having a separate eq for in room correction.
One of the attributes of the Orion is that very little if any *in room* eq will be needed. Try that with your pre-eq'd active monopole. It will behave just the same way as a well designed, flat anechoic passive monopole, which is mucho excitement of room modes and highly unnatural bass which we all know well - and for some - enjoy.
You're absolutely right about the Orion not being for the GE's like Scatabrain.

RG - It would be a foolish engineering decision to use a monopole subwoofer with dipole main speakers, unless the much lower cost of monopole bass was an object.
Depending on room dimensions, and the crossover frequency, the monopole subwoofer may excite one or two room bass resonances more a dipole subwoofer would. Why would that be a good thing to do when you prefer monopole bass?

Once again, the monopole sub is used *below* 50hz, where there are few room modes to begin with. Also remember that @ 50hz, the radiation will be cardioid, not monopole. You probably don't have true monopole radiation until down in the 30's, where there are even less modes to excite.
If you are still obsessed with near perfection, then use multiple monopole subs (4) (below 50hz) around the room, with parametric eq, at equal radial distances, like I do. Helps keep non-linear distortion low as well.
FYI, the rears are 12" Rythmik Servosubs and the fronts are bipolar 12" Peerless XLS12's.

cheers,

p.s. looks like the censors decided to remove my response to AnalogScott. So much for no moderation here huh

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Topic - 9 hours with the Linkwitz Labs Orion loudspeaker system - kerr 20:23:51 04/07/07 (23)

What you heard - AJinFLA 09:40:20 04/08/07 (2)

Re: What you heard - kerr 14:24:08 04/08/07 (0)

the result of the 'scientific method? - Analog Scott 11:11:11 04/08/07 (1)

Will you swear you were not drunk or stoned when listening and did not get biased by positive reviews? - Richard BassNut Greene 21:41:23 04/07/07 (7)

Why drunk *or* stoned? Why not both? (nt) - AJinFLA 10:19:10 04/08/07 (0)

That's two separate questions - kerr 09:14:27 04/08/07 (5)

"He used generic wire on purpose as he wanted to get to know the speakers on their own without adding anything" - Richard BassNut Greene 16:27:17 04/08/07 (3)

Re: "He used generic wire on purpose as he wanted to get to know the speakers on their own without adding anything" - kerr 16:45:20 04/08/07 (2)

You already believe better wire will make the Orions sound better = expectations bias - Richard BassNut Greene 17:00:09 04/08/07 (1)

And I already believe holding a lighted match to my finger will burn! - kerr 05:42:57 04/09/07 (0)

Rest assured - AJinFLA 10:39:30 04/08/07 (0)

These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio - Richard BassNut Greene 21:37:02 04/07/07 (11)

That is an easy one. - fortysomething 22:15:28 04/08/07 (0)

Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - AJinFLA 10:15:55 04/08/07 (4)

Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - morricab 05:27:16 04/10/07 (0)

No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - Richard BassNut Greene 16:16:11 04/08/07 (2)

Re: No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - AJinFLA 17:11:43 04/08/07 (1)

''Must be the you-are-now-a-subjectivist thing where everything is taken seriously and literally." - Richard BassNut Greene 17:36:14 04/08/07 (0)

I just changed my mind - kerr 09:26:38 04/08/07 (4)

Kerr you don't need reviews BEFORE you hear speakers and certainly don't need reviews AFTER - Richard BassNut Greene 16:25:02 04/08/07 (1)

Not a question of "need" - kerr 16:57:02 04/08/07 (0)

I hate to tell you this - AJinFLA 09:50:47 04/08/07 (1)

Re: I hate to tell you this - kerr 14:12:40 04/08/07 (0)

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Re: No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - AJinFLA 17:11:43 04/08/07 (1)

''Must be the you-are-now-a-subjectivist thing where everything is taken seriously and literally." - Richard BassNut Greene 17:36:14 04/08/07 (0)

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