Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist.

What proof do you have? I don't want to hear about subjetivist rantings, audiophool hearsay and "ear witness" testimony.
Can you present some scientific data to support you claim of these being the most favorably reviewed speakers of all time? Where is the statistical data? Where is the factual evidence?
Sounds like you just dreamed that up, subjectivist style. Oh well, you are supposed to be one now anyway.

RBNG - I hve argued online with Linkwitz about whether it is fair to compare a dipole design with an unequalized monopole design (because in most rooms the dipole design has an inherent advantage in bass frequency response). However in some rooms dipoles can create nasty bass booms from strong front-wall-to-back wall standing waves (which are particularly easy to hear with dipoles because other standing waves, between other room surfaces, are weaker with dipoles)
I think dipoles should always be compared with parametrically equalized bass monoples.
Dipoles must use bass EQ, so why not use bass EQ with any monopole speakers you are comparing them with?

Whoa. Hang on a second there tough guy. A dipole (such as the Orion) is *pre* equalized as an integral part of the design, for flat anechoic response, in the same way that eq must be applied to a horn tweeter to correct the response.
Never heard of a linkwitz transform? Most decent (sealed) mass market subs use them now. That *pre* eq in a monopole right there for you.
An Orion could still be eq'd *in room* just like your monopole. As a matter of fact, Linkwitz himself has remarked that the closest he has heard a monopole sound like a dipole in room was the TACT system
http://www.linkwitzlab.com/design_of_loudspeakers.htm#B
The systems I have heard with extensive RMC did sound much better than the typical monopole box in room sound, but IMHO, still not quite there, plus adding yet another processor is audiophile blasphemy, so forget it if you want to maintain your GE subjectivist status.
Do keep in mind that SL now uses the Thor's full time to address the real weakness of dipole bass, which is pressurising the room at very low frequency (<40hz). I believe the system Kerr heard was the full monty ++ which is full range dipole above 50hz and monopole below (cardioid at xo).

cheers,

The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky

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Topic - 9 hours with the Linkwitz Labs Orion loudspeaker system - kerr 20:23:51 04/07/07 (23)

What you heard - AJinFLA 09:40:20 04/08/07 (2)

Re: What you heard - kerr 14:24:08 04/08/07 (0)

the result of the 'scientific method? - Analog Scott 11:11:11 04/08/07 (1)

Will you swear you were not drunk or stoned when listening and did not get biased by positive reviews? - Richard BassNut Greene 21:41:23 04/07/07 (7)

Why drunk *or* stoned? Why not both? (nt) - AJinFLA 10:19:10 04/08/07 (0)

That's two separate questions - kerr 09:14:27 04/08/07 (5)

"He used generic wire on purpose as he wanted to get to know the speakers on their own without adding anything" - Richard BassNut Greene 16:27:17 04/08/07 (3)

Re: "He used generic wire on purpose as he wanted to get to know the speakers on their own without adding anything" - kerr 16:45:20 04/08/07 (2)

You already believe better wire will make the Orions sound better = expectations bias - Richard BassNut Greene 17:00:09 04/08/07 (1)

And I already believe holding a lighted match to my finger will burn! - kerr 05:42:57 04/09/07 (0)

Rest assured - AJinFLA 10:39:30 04/08/07 (0)

These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio - Richard BassNut Greene 21:37:02 04/07/07 (11)

That is an easy one. - fortysomething 22:15:28 04/08/07 (0)

Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - AJinFLA 10:15:55 04/08/07 (4)

Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - morricab 05:27:16 04/10/07 (0)

No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - Richard BassNut Greene 16:16:11 04/08/07 (2)

Re: No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - AJinFLA 17:11:43 04/08/07 (1)

''Must be the you-are-now-a-subjectivist thing where everything is taken seriously and literally." - Richard BassNut Greene 17:36:14 04/08/07 (0)

I just changed my mind - kerr 09:26:38 04/08/07 (4)

Kerr you don't need reviews BEFORE you hear speakers and certainly don't need reviews AFTER - Richard BassNut Greene 16:25:02 04/08/07 (1)

Not a question of "need" - kerr 16:57:02 04/08/07 (0)

I hate to tell you this - AJinFLA 09:50:47 04/08/07 (1)

Re: I hate to tell you this - kerr 14:12:40 04/08/07 (0)

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Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - AJinFLA 10:15:55 04/08/07 (4)

Re:These are the most favorably reviewed speakers in the history of audio. Jeez Richard, that's rather subjectisvist. - morricab 05:27:16 04/10/07 (0)

No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - Richard BassNut Greene 16:16:11 04/08/07 (2)

Re: No one needs blind tests of speakers to know what they hear with accuracy -- speakers are subjective - AJinFLA 17:11:43 04/08/07 (1)

''Must be the you-are-now-a-subjectivist thing where everything is taken seriously and literally." - Richard BassNut Greene 17:36:14 04/08/07 (0)

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