In Reply to: Exactly! posted by E-Stat on February 25, 2007 at 07:50:20:
When you reach the age where over 10kHz. becomes faint, or inaudible, you are at a disadvantage no matter how much "training" you have ... versus a young man with some high-end audio experience and a strong interest in audio.Geezers also become less tolerant of new technology and new ideas:
"Those good old 78rpm shellac and 33rpm vinyl/tube amps/horn speakers played REAL music -- much better than the braying soul divas/screamers/ young whippersnappers you hear these days on CDs whose sound quality is just like fingernails scratching a blackboard".
. John "Old Geezer" Smith
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Dr Linkwitz An Objectivist of Character Admits The Truth - thetubeguy1954 08:49:11 02/23/07 (144)
- Oh please give us a break! -- - everyone knows Linkwitz chose the drivers he used based on his MEASUREMENTS - Richard BassNut Greene 12:04:59 02/25/07 (3)
- My Point EXACTLY, Thanks RBG! - thetubeguy1954 06:15:40 02/26/07 (2)
- You can send the $5 you promised me for this set-up to the Salvation Army (nt) - Richard BassNut Greene 09:34:49 02/26/07 (1)
- OK, You Did Do What You Promised.... (NT) - thetubeguy1954 11:09:52 02/27/07 (0)
- You were doing great right up until the end there... - Presto 11:39:36 02/24/07 (13)
- Re: You were doing great right up until the end there... - thetubeguy1954 07:20:38 02/26/07 (0)
- I tip my hat in respect. nt - jensw 09:34:30 02/25/07 (3)
- I tip my cow in disrespect. - Richard BassNut Greene 12:20:59 02/25/07 (2)
- Well, in some states... - kerr 16:37:54 02/25/07 (1)
- ;-).......nt - markrohr 04:18:50 02/26/07 (0)
- Exactly! - E-Stat 07:50:20 02/25/07 (6)
- For hearing skills, youth triumphs over old geezers with "training" -- ask George Foreman! - Richard BassNut Greene 11:57:15 02/25/07 (5)
- I guess it depends upon what you listen to - E-Stat 13:20:18 02/26/07 (4)
- Re: I guess it depends upon what you listen to - theaudiohobby 03:45:13 02/27/07 (3)
- Bring them on! - E-Stat 13:13:03 02/27/07 (0)
- Re: I guess it depends upon what you listen to - Pat D 06:43:53 02/27/07 (1)
- Re: I guess it depends upon what you listen to - theaudiohobby 07:28:12 02/27/07 (0)
- Leave PropHead NOW!!!! - kerr 12:44:25 02/24/07 (0)
- Glad to see you reading some non-fiction for a change, but you missed where he referred to you - AJinFLA 16:48:27 02/23/07 (94)
- Then let me ask you why you are changing speakers? - Russ57 07:11:54 02/24/07 (7)
- money could be spent on speakers, for real improvements in accuracy of dynamic range and resolution - AJinFLA 09:49:41 02/24/07 (6)
- No, I didn't know you had moved - Russ57 10:35:46 02/24/07 (5)
- Re: No, I didn't know you had moved - AJinFLA 14:46:29 02/25/07 (1)
- Re: No, I didn't know you had moved - Andy.G 15:37:56 02/25/07 (0)
- Open Baffle Mids.. - Andy.G 13:10:48 02/24/07 (2)
- I am running open baffle mids - Russ57 07:35:47 02/25/07 (1)
- Re: I am running open baffle mids - Andy.G 13:16:51 02/25/07 (0)
- SL got his wording wrong !! - geoff_j 17:08:55 02/23/07 (85)
- "Double-blind and ABX product comparison tests are frowned upon in some audio circles, "BECAUSE" ....?? - Pat D 17:58:12 02/23/07 (84)
- Do you use an ABX box to audition all of your potential audio purchases? nt - Analog Scott 19:43:21 02/24/07 (78)
- Re: Do you use an ABX box to audition all of your potential audio purchases? nt - thetubeguy1954 09:54:43 02/26/07 (14)
- Who's talking about world views? We just want good evidence you can hear what you say you do. - Pat D 20:37:52 02/26/07 (13)
- The Get Off Your Lazy Behind & Find It For Yourself! - thetubeguy1954 13:37:06 02/28/07 (6)
- That's a long post trying to avoid a very simple issue. - Pat D 19:42:58 02/28/07 (5)
- That's Only Your Mistaken Opinion Pat - thetubeguy1954 10:04:43 03/01/07 (4)
- It's very simple: you may think you hear cable differences, but you haven't proved it. - Pat D 14:30:23 03/01/07 (3)
- Re: It's very simple: you may think you hear cable differences, but you haven't proved it. - kerr 13:58:37 03/06/07 (0)
- Still Playing Audio Politcian Pat D-Cake? The Topic Was Never About Me & Wires! - thetubeguy1954 08:20:10 03/05/07 (1)
- The topic was some things Mr. Linkwitz said. You guys want to talk about me! - Pat D 15:49:38 03/05/07 (0)
- But you don't want any when it comes to what you believe - Analog Scott 08:26:58 02/28/07 (5)
- You guys don't understand what I believe, so you make it up! - Pat D 15:48:18 02/28/07 (4)
- Sheer Lunacy - thetubeguy1954 14:17:20 03/05/07 (1)
- You make a lot of unjustified surmises. (nt) - Pat D 15:40:21 03/05/07 (0)
- I have made no claims about what you believe so you are just making things up - Analog Scott 17:25:47 02/28/07 (1)
- Allegations about how I treat my unspecified "beliefs!" That's bizarre. - Pat D 20:32:37 02/28/07 (0)
- Re: Do you use an ABX box to audition all of your potential audio purchases? nt - geoff_j 12:45:49 02/25/07 (62)
- i understand very well what ABX is used for - Analog Scott 14:57:25 02/25/07 (61)
- Re: i understand very well what ABX is used for - geoff_j 15:10:36 02/25/07 (19)
- who said anything about unsubstantiated claims? - Analog Scott 15:19:47 02/25/07 (18)
- Re: who said anything about unsubstantiated claims? - geoff_j 19:26:42 02/25/07 (17)
- Actually you didn't answer my question - Analog Scott 21:46:27 02/25/07 (16)
- Re: Actually you didn't answer my question - geoff_j 22:04:08 02/25/07 (15)
- I did - Analog Scott 22:23:35 02/25/07 (14)
- Re: I did - geoff_j 22:29:32 02/25/07 (13)
- Umm, you wrote "not necessarily...," which is a - robert young 06:15:22 02/27/07 (1)
- Re: Umm, you wrote "not necessarily...," which is a - geoff_j 02:11:41 03/01/07 (0)
- Re: I did - Analog Scott 22:39:34 02/25/07 (10)
- Yep I did strike a nerve here. Looks like Geoff has just soiled himself. - Analog Scott 07:18:31 02/26/07 (0)
- Re: I did - geoff_j 23:38:12 02/25/07 (8)
- Look . just for you I'll put it in one syllable - geoff_j 23:57:55 02/25/07 (1)
- Re: Look . just for you I'll put it in one syllable - geoff_j 23:59:25 02/25/07 (0)
- Look . just for you I'll put it in one syllable - geoff_j 23:56:59 02/25/07 (5)
- 5 raging posts to answer one of two simple questions. - Analog Scott 08:27:27 02/26/07 (1)
- Re: 5 raging posts to answer one of two simple questions. - geoff_j 02:14:18 03/01/07 (0)
- Nor... - geoff_j 00:16:38 02/26/07 (2)
- Re: Nor... - thetubeguy1954 14:06:33 02/26/07 (1)
- Re: Nor... - geoff_j 02:18:42 03/01/07 (0)
- What business is if of yours? I make no claims amounting to extraordinary hearing abilities. - Pat D 15:10:14 02/25/07 (40)
- wow, guess I struck a nerve - Analog Scott 15:24:12 02/25/07 (39)
- Got you on the run, eh? You don't have an expensive ABX box but you want me to get one. - Pat D 18:00:48 02/25/07 (15)
- No, it is you whose on the run. - Analog Scott 21:56:01 02/25/07 (14)
- Why do you need to know? - Pat D 05:31:27 02/26/07 (7)
- Why do you need to keep it a secret? - Analog Scott 07:23:11 02/26/07 (6)
- Ahh, you reveal your true motives. - Pat D 10:32:15 02/26/07 (5)
- Actually I revealed your true motives. - Analog Scott 10:44:57 02/26/07 (4)
- You total lack of logic is really funny. - Pat D 17:27:24 02/26/07 (3)
- Your lack of integrity is really sad. - Analog Scott 07:02:44 02/27/07 (2)
- Nothing specific, eh? - Pat D 14:37:08 02/27/07 (1)
- Your posts say it all. - Analog Scott 16:55:49 02/27/07 (0)
- Re: No, it is you whose on the run. - geoff_j 23:45:16 02/25/07 (5)
- Trying to communicate - Analog Scott 10:47:35 02/26/07 (4)
- Why do you want us to use DBTs to choose equipment when you don't so use them? - Pat D 19:24:11 02/26/07 (3)
- Why do you ask stupid questions based on phoney premises? - Analog Scott 07:04:09 02/27/07 (2)
- Oh dear, those unspecified "phoney premises!" - Pat D 14:18:14 02/27/07 (1)
- Oh dear time to play with the OCD last word freak, again - Analog Scott 16:57:21 02/27/07 (0)
- Whoa - new guy! - kerr 16:21:51 02/25/07 (4)
- Re: Whoa - new guy! - Pat D 18:20:41 02/25/07 (3)
- Kibitzer - kerr 04:43:47 02/26/07 (0)
- ad hominem. So predictable - Analog Scott 22:02:54 02/25/07 (1)
- You should learn what an "ad hominem" argument is. (nt) - Pat D 05:58:22 02/28/07 (0)
- Re: wow, guess I struck a nerve - geoff_j 15:32:19 02/25/07 (17)
- It would appaer that those whining about others avoiding ABX - Analog Scott 22:04:51 02/25/07 (2)
- Re: It would appaer that those whining about others avoiding ABX - geoff_j 23:43:44 02/25/07 (1)
- Were you born this - Analog Scott 15:54:02 02/26/07 (0)
- Ludicrous claims - kerr 16:33:35 02/25/07 (13)
- Re: Ludricous claims - theaudiohobby 16:52:09 02/25/07 (12)
- Re: Ludicrous claims - Ted Smith 17:21:03 02/25/07 (11)
- Re: Ludicrous claims - theaudiohobby 18:19:22 02/25/07 (10)
- Re: Ludicrous claims - Pat D 19:05:48 02/25/07 (9)
- Re: Ludicrous claims - Ted Smith 20:02:56 02/25/07 (0)
- Re: Ludicrous claims - theaudiohobby 19:23:48 02/25/07 (7)
- Re: Ludicrous claims - Ted Smith 21:16:32 02/25/07 (6)
- Re: Off-topic Moderation - theaudiohobby 10:01:43 02/26/07 (4)
- How would you define the posts AJ in FLA makes? - robert young 06:05:11 02/27/07 (2)
- Re: How would you define the posts AJ in FLA makes? - theaudiohobby 07:25:57 02/27/07 (1)
- Re: How would you define the posts AJ in FLA makes? - robert young 04:57:09 02/28/07 (0)
- Re: Off-topic Moderation - Ted Smith 12:00:04 02/26/07 (0)
- Re: Same old principle - theaudiohobby 01:26:47 02/26/07 (0)
- oh , I think I see the mis-understanding . - geoff_j 18:54:58 02/23/07 (3)
- Oh yes! Sorry. - Pat D 14:07:03 02/24/07 (2)
- Re: Oh yes! Sorry. - geoff_j 14:17:53 02/24/07 (1)
- Re: Oh yes! Sorry. - Pat D 16:06:53 02/24/07 (0)
- Re: "Double-blind and ABX product comparison tests are frowned upon in some audio circles, "BECAUSE" ....?? - geoff_j 18:13:46 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Dr Linkwitz An Objectivist of Character Admits The Truth - geoff_j 14:41:16 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: the vast majority of objectivists here - jensw 13:46:29 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: the vast majority of objectivists here - thetubeguy1954 13:59:55 02/23/07 (1)
- "...and not what passes for objectivist here on PHP." Oh, BURN! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:57:23 02/24/07 (0)
- Dr Linkwitz is an old geezer (diminished hearing ability) and never made extraordinary hearing ability claims - Richard BassNut Greene 13:43:31 02/23/07 (4)
- This is another "Subjective Audiophile 2007" pulling-of-the-leg comment, right? - E-Stat 15:15:40 02/23/07 (2)
- Are you going to sit there and tell me ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:17:22 02/25/07 (1)
- Sure - E-Stat 05:23:28 02/26/07 (0)
- Re: Dr Linkwitz is an old geezer (diminished hearing ability) and never made extraordinary hearing ability claims - thetubeguy1954 14:06:45 02/23/07 (0)
- Another tubeguy TROLL: presents the obvious as a big discovery. - Pat D 12:27:01 02/23/07 (5)
- But... - kerr 13:39:51 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: But... - Pat D 17:45:11 02/23/07 (1)
- Re: But... - kerr 07:30:45 02/24/07 (0)
- The Obvious That's Presented Is That YOU'RE Exactly The Type of Objectivist That Doesn't Have Character - thetubeguy1954 12:57:56 02/23/07 (1)
- Having difficulty understanding scepticism, tubey? - Pat D 15:49:01 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Dr Linkwitz An Objectivist of Character Admits The Truth - kerr 12:09:41 02/23/07 (7)
- Re: Dr Linkwitz An Objectivist of Character Admits The Truth - thetubeguy1954 13:53:39 02/23/07 (6)
- "Sometimes one person can hear something another person cannot!" Imagine that. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:52:37 02/24/07 (4)
- Absolutely correct. You hear ghosts and glare minimized grinded CD's. I don't. (nt) - AJinFLA 10:00:53 02/24/07 (0)
- Or something that another doesn't even try to hear (nt) - kerr 09:50:09 02/24/07 (2)
- True. See my reply to Clark above (nt) - AJinFLA 10:02:27 02/24/07 (1)
- Er... ahem.. ah...gulp - kerr 12:37:26 02/24/07 (0)
- Re: Dr Linkwitz An Objectivist of Character Admits The Truth - bwaslo 06:40:06 02/24/07 (0)
- One of the most significant posts of the 21st century IME... - Wellfed 11:49:03 02/23/07 (1)
- The takeaway is.. - lipmanl@hotmail.com 11:49:00 02/23/07 (6)
- Re: The takeaway is.. - May Belt 12:23:29 02/23/07 (4)
- "Meaning that the blame had been placed on the wrong thing." Yes. Happens a lot. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:50:58 02/24/07 (2)
- Re: "Meaning that the blame had been placed on the wrong thing." Yes. Happens a lot. nt - May Belt 06:03:46 02/25/07 (1)
- All very true, but who will listen? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:00:40 02/25/07 (0)
- I was referring to musetap's post... - Wellfed 20:24:49 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: The takeaway is.. - kerr 12:03:12 02/23/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- For hearing skills, youth triumphs over old geezers with "training" -- ask George Foreman! - Richard BassNut Greene 11:57:15 02/25/07 (5)
- I guess it depends upon what you listen to - E-Stat 13:20:18 02/26/07 (4)
- Re: I guess it depends upon what you listen to - theaudiohobby 03:45:13 02/27/07 (3)
- Bring them on! - E-Stat 13:13:03 02/27/07 (0)
- Re: I guess it depends upon what you listen to - Pat D 06:43:53 02/27/07 (1)
- Re: I guess it depends upon what you listen to - theaudiohobby 07:28:12 02/27/07 (0)