In Reply to: Snake Oil being sold by someone with 10 PhD's is, umm, Snake Oil posted by AJinFLA on October 17, 2006 at 19:10:09:
AJinFLA,I was wondering how long it was going to take you to jump on the Objectivist shoot-down-the Subjectivist-post bandwagon!
To your question of: What about the great recordings that are made *without* Dr. Dementia's props? How are those to be explained? I'd respond that I don't know, do you? How can ANYONE without knowing how these supposedly well-made recordings were made, comment on them? What I can comment on is how quickly you resort to name calling though an educated man like Dr Sprey! What's the matter? Can't make statement about something you disagree about without resorting to making jokes at the person's expensnse?
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You expect him to SELL all these products and then claim "Oh BTW, none of this s**t is really audible, or negligible at best....but buy it anyway!" LOL.I cannot believe you don't have the ability to see beyond your own opinions. How about this senerio? Dr Pierre Sprey leaves the Pentagon & starts his own label, Mapleshade. Being a music lover, Dr Sprey constantly strives to find any & everyway possible to make the recording more realistic. Being a lot more open-minded than you and many of the other Objectivists here, he attempts different tweaks i.e. using brass as a vibration-controlling media or using different wires to see if any "sound" better than others.
Now after listening and using his ear as the final arbitrator Dr Sprey discovers certain tweaks actually do improve the realism of his recordings. Then just like I would "IF" I could find a tweak that I believed improved the realism of my systems replication of the music, Dr Sprey offers it for sale to other music lovers! His character is displayed in his guarantee of performance and the return of your money if you don't agree.
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The people who take advantage of the easily influenced minds are not dumb. Far from it. Most are probably quite intelligent, like this fellow. Or at least "street" smart. Unscrupulous? Maybe. Dumb? No.You amaze me with how you so easily insult people, Dr Sprey, me (because I know these tweaks work and don't have the insulting easily influenced mind as you call it) I offered to PROVE to you AJinFLA, RBG & Pat D that I can hear differences in wires, differences in tubes say a Mullard, Siemans or RCA 12AU7 etc. I can understand Pat D & RBG not taking me up as they live so far away, but you live fairly close AJinFLA so why not allow me to PROVE IT to you? You make all this claims yet are too afraid to have your opinions disproven! I'm willing to provide proof, if you're so sure I'm wrong come and watch me, but get ready to admit you say me PROVE what I said I could.
The threshold for proving something is higher than the threshold for denying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of Objectivist bullshit - TS
Thetubeguy1954
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- Truth Spoken By Any Man Is Still The Truth - thetubeguy1954 08:23:34 10/18/06 (104)
- The manufacturers who *actually* prey on people are named Sony, Panasonic, Bose, Pioneer... they deliver CR*P! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:47:19 10/18/06 (95)
- Perfect Sound Forever - WinthorpeIII 07:43:16 10/23/06 (1)
- ...and better, and better, and.... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:00:17 10/23/06 (0)
- Re: The manufacturers who *actually* prey on people are named Sony, Panasonic, Bose, Pioneer... they deliver CR*P! nt - thetubeguy1954 09:14:32 10/18/06 (50)
- "I cannot believe the disservice people like RBG do to the newbies." Believe it! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:27 10/18/06 (49)
- It's oh so easy to claim every component sounds different when you never have to prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 08:44:17 10/19/06 (48)
- Re: It's oh so easy to claim every component sounds different when you never have to prove it - Soundmind 05:58:21 10/22/06 (0)
- It's Even Easier To Deny Component Sounds Different When You'll Never Accept The Offer To Have It Proven! - thetubeguy1954 08:54:01 10/19/06 (46)
- So now I'm: "King of the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists" -- I always wanted to be king of my castle - Richard BassNut Greene 09:27:13 10/19/06 (45)
- What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 10:09:45 10/19/06 (33)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 14:53:23 10/19/06 (20)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 04:18:56 10/20/06 (19)
- "I find your attempts at insults humorous. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:10 10/20/06 (3)
- Get Real or Truthful At Least - thetubeguy1954 09:34:22 10/20/06 (1)
- Tubular you have turned into a junkyard dog with his jaws clamped down on my pants cuff (and won't let go ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:00 10/21/06 (0)
- Re: "I find your attempts at insults humorous. " - kerr 09:21:44 10/20/06 (0)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 06:17:32 10/20/06 (14)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 06:56:10 10/20/06 (13)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 08:23:01 10/20/06 (12)
- Understood (nt) - kerr 09:25:18 10/20/06 (0)
- Come & Be Astounded - thetubeguy1954 09:13:44 10/20/06 (10)
- Re: Come & Be Astounded - andy19191 12:40:33 10/20/06 (7)
- Re: Come & Be Astounded - thetubeguy1954 14:24:22 10/20/06 (6)
- Are you now comparing yourself to Einstein? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:57:54 10/21/06 (2)
- Are You Really This Stupid? - thetubeguy1954 17:38:32 10/21/06 (1)
- Lighten up Tubular -- that was a joke and a very funny one too .... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:22 10/23/06 (0)
- Words to live by - kerr 18:04:17 10/20/06 (2)
- And how are we suffering? - Atexanathome 17:05:02 10/23/06 (1)
- Re: And how are we suffering? - kerr 08:56:58 10/24/06 (0)
- Didn't P.T. Barnum say something like that? (nt) - AJinFLA 09:44:37 10/20/06 (1)
- Hey! That was going to be MY line!!!! - Pat D 18:08:59 10/21/06 (0)
- If many audiophiles have trouble differentiating among components with brand names hidden ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:35:06 10/19/06 (11)
- LYING RBG - thetubeguy1954 10:40:10 10/21/06 (0)
- Umm.... - kerr 04:23:00 10/20/06 (7)
- The only way to be SURE you can hear wire differences is to demonstrate your skill to witnesses - Richard BassNut Greene 07:18:18 10/20/06 (6)
- LYING RBG - thetubeguy1954 08:51:13 10/20/06 (5)
- Still one man's claims as "proof" -- are all the alleged witnesses to your claimed extraordinary hearing skills dead? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:29:02 10/20/06 (4)
- Ranting RBG (((Kerr Read This))) - thetubeguy1954 09:46:55 10/20/06 (3)
- Please make up your mind -- Am I ranting or am I lying or am I ranting AND lying -- people want to know - Richard BassNut Greene 12:44:23 10/21/06 (2)
- You Are Both - thetubeguy1954 17:49:19 10/21/06 (1)
- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to his own facts - Richard BassNut Greene 08:22:32 10/23/06 (0)
- Another Rant From RBG (( Kerr Read This ))) - thetubeguy1954 14:01:13 10/19/06 (1)
- Tubular you responded twice to my post -- which attack post should I read first ? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:47:05 10/21/06 (0)
- Don't Worry You Are, In Ranting RBG World! - thetubeguy1954 09:43:06 10/19/06 (10)
- In 40 years as an audiophile I've never heard a subjectivist say "I can't hear a difference between these two components - Richard BassNut Greene 13:44:52 10/19/06 (9)
- Your string is broken! ;-( - markrohr 03:54:24 10/20/06 (6)
- What Subjectivist Would Hang With RBG? - thetubeguy1954 08:56:39 10/20/06 (2)
- I would . . . - markrohr 12:27:57 10/20/06 (1)
- Sorry to disappoint you but I never argue about audio in person -- only on-line with WireNuts for entertainment - Richard BassNut Greene 12:55:18 10/21/06 (0)
- I said I'd never heard it -- I didn't say I'd never read it - Richard BassNut Greene 07:40:50 10/20/06 (1)
- Actually, the way I'd put #2 - markrohr 12:20:51 10/20/06 (0)
- Just what a guitarist loves to hear! :) - kerr 05:14:34 10/20/06 (0)
- PLEASE Tell Me You Are Not This Stupid! - thetubeguy1954 14:26:00 10/19/06 (1)
- You Are Not This Stupid - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:12 10/20/06 (0)
- Yes Clark, to you, a $100 bottle of Fluoride is a much better value than a $100 Sony CDP LOL(nt) - AJinFLA 09:14:07 10/18/06 (41)
- Coward! - thetubeguy1954 09:18:35 10/18/06 (40)
- I didn't go see the image of the virgin mary on the side of that building, nor do I stay up late for Santa either. - AJinFLA 13:49:59 10/18/06 (37)
- Nor Do You Know The Truth About Wire & You Haven't The Guts To Learn It Either! - thetubeguy1954 17:21:25 10/18/06 (36)
- Look - AJinFLA 18:57:40 10/18/06 (35)
- Re: Look - john curl 21:33:24 10/18/06 (34)
- Wrong - AJinFLA 04:06:02 10/19/06 (33)
- It YOU Who's Wrong AJ - thetubeguy1954 08:15:14 10/19/06 (19)
- Re: It YOU Who's Wrong AJ - AJinFLA 15:02:09 10/19/06 (12)
- AJinFLA's Moronic & Cowardly Response - thetubeguy1954 07:38:13 10/20/06 (11)
- You forgot to take the slow deep breaths I suggested - AJinFLA 09:57:34 10/20/06 (10)
- Keep It Up! - thetubeguy1954 11:22:48 10/20/06 (9)
- How quickly you have descended to questioning the size of someone's gonads. - clifff 12:13:59 10/20/06 (8)
- Re: How quickly you have descended to lecturing others when you also insult to provoke! - thetubeguy1954 14:16:14 10/20/06 (5)
- So now I am an "Ignorant Piece of Shit"! - clifff 15:04:05 10/20/06 (4)
- Re: So now I am an "Ignorant Piece of Shit"! - thetubeguy1954 17:01:42 10/20/06 (3)
- Do I sound bothered? nt - clifff 02:32:45 10/21/06 (2)
- Rule no. 1: It's OK for TG54 to insult people. It's NOT- OK for you to point it out. - Pat D 08:36:48 10/23/06 (0)
- Yes You Did! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 17:50:31 10/21/06 (0)
- It was logically inevitable - AJinFLA 13:22:41 10/20/06 (1)
- Re: It was logically inevitable - thetubeguy1954 17:59:47 10/21/06 (0)
- "...staying up late for Santa." Yes, it's a coward's defense and a snarky one at that. - clarkjohnsen 08:54:20 10/19/06 (5)
- EXACTLY! - thetubeguy1954 09:31:42 10/19/06 (4)
- Re: EXACTLY! - john curl 10:58:58 10/19/06 (1)
- Ask AJinFLA That's His Beliefs! - thetubeguy1954 11:13:40 10/19/06 (0)
- "You would think AJinFLA would jump at the chance." Actually, no, I wouldn't. - clarkjohnsen 09:43:41 10/19/06 (1)
- Nor Was I, I Was Being Facetious. - thetubeguy1954 11:11:57 10/19/06 (0)
- Do you represent objectivists in general? - kerr 06:05:04 10/19/06 (12)
- I represent myself - AJinFLA 15:21:59 10/19/06 (1)
- Er... ok. - kerr 04:29:28 10/20/06 (0)
- "Or is it just you?" LOL! You perfectly well know the answer. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:56:10 10/19/06 (2)
- Seriously, I don't - kerr 09:53:57 10/19/06 (1)
- OF COURSE you know the answer; we all do. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:00 10/19/06 (0)
- YES It Is! - thetubeguy1954 08:36:53 10/19/06 (6)
- Re: YES It Is! - kerr 09:52:08 10/19/06 (5)
- Come On Down - thetubeguy1954 11:18:06 10/19/06 (4)
- Okay, I must ask... - andy_c 19:36:43 10/19/06 (1)
- Re: Okay, I must ask... - thetubeguy1954 09:19:03 10/20/06 (0)
- Will do! - kerr 11:34:06 10/19/06 (1)
- OK! - thetubeguy1954 12:29:22 10/19/06 (0)
- "The cheeks of your disbelief." Phrasemaker! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:00:17 10/18/06 (1)
- It's That Little Old Phrasemaker-- Me! nt - thetubeguy1954 10:35:38 10/18/06 (0)
- BS Spoken By A PhD Is Still BS - Richard BassNut Greene 08:39:57 10/18/06 (7)
- Truth Spoken By Any Man Is Still The Truth - thetubeguy1954 10:32:56 10/18/06 (1)
- "Extraordinary hearing ability" is the claimed ability to differentiate among virtually all wires and electronics - Richard BassNut Greene 07:56:12 10/20/06 (0)
- You don't need a PHD to pass on BS (NT) - unclestu52 09:26:24 10/18/06 (4)
- Nor To Speak The Truth (NT) - thetubeguy1954 10:37:01 10/18/06 (0)
- No, but it helps. ;-) nt - markrohr 10:17:49 10/18/06 (2)
- Just so you know... - Wellfed 00:01:44 10/19/06 (1)
- George Orwell once said - markrohr 04:30:34 10/19/06 (0)