In Reply to: Good one, May! (Suggest you bother no further to reply to sarcastic male harridans.) nt posted by clarkjohnsen on August 28, 2006 at 09:14:52:
Thanks Clark. I usually only reply if I think there is chance of moving things further forward. That is if I see a glimpse of someone saying (in effect) "There is something strange going on - there are things changing the sound which should not be changing the sound. We must/should investigate further." As soon as I see sentences along the lines of "What is being described cannot possibly be happening, therefore it isn't happening, therefore we do not have to do any investigations.", then I back off.
I have described before one of my favourite quotes - by the well known scientist Michio Kaku - when he describes the difficulty in getting some people to consider new concepts. He refers to some people as Flatlanders - people living in the Land of Two Dimensions who cannot (will not ??) listen to what the people who have discovered some of the wonders of the Three Dimensional World are attempting to describe.In my latest reply to 'thetubeguy', I particular chose the quotes from John Atkinson's article in 1983 because it illustrates how certain members of the audio industry (all of them technically competent) but who, collectively, had no explanation for what they were experiencing.
I could easily have chosen quotes from your own recent article in 'positive feedback online' on applying different chemicals to CDs and experiencing changes in the sound. (i.e. "Lotions Eleven, or the Fluid Dynamics of CD"), but I realised that under the current 'postings' on cables, it was not the right place - EVEN THOUGH your article on changing sound with chemicals IS COMPLETELY RELEVANT to the differences in sound created by different cables !!!!
Quotes from your article such as "I discussed my own experience with one product, Optrix, back in 1996 and speculated on the reasons why it took an iconic audio critic almost ten years to catch up. Nor had Optrix been my first fluid, nor was it even the best; it was simply an affordable introduction to the world of CD improvement that few would fail to hear unless their minds were set against it...... Not a single other major reviewer used, or admitted to using, a CD cleaning fluid. Anyway not after the Armor All fiasco...... Neither I nor anyone else in audiodom can confidently and satisfactorily explicate this phenomenon."....... Nor are the lotions discussed here necessarily the best route to CD improvement.... Others include the degausser, the mat, the edge paint, the edge carving, the Intelligent Chip.... And God knows what else...... WHY ? Who knows, none of these make particular sense given the orthodox 'bits is bits' wisdom."Absolutely correct. It does not make sense. So, if it happens, if it changes sound, and you are in the audio business, then the fact that it has happened has to be dealt with.
Yes, some people can deal with the situation by burying their heads in the sand saying "it cannot happen, therefore it does not happen" but some of us have chosen to deal with the problem - and investigate, and investigate, and investigate !!
Regards,
May Belt.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Good one, May! (Suggest you bother no further to reply to sarcastic male harridans.) nt - May Belt 09:03:45 08/29/06 (28)
- "The fact that it has happened has to be dealt with." Or, not. Look at the magazines: - clarkjohnsen 08:00:29 08/30/06 (3)
- Re: "The fact that it has happened has to be dealt with." Or, not. Look at the magazines: - Soundmind 08:54:31 08/30/06 (2)
- The lies continue unabated; it becomes my lot to make sure the offending posts don't simply disappear. - clarkjohnsen 09:10:56 08/30/06 (1)
- And you've succeeded. You've certainly been active putting them up and you never delete them. - Soundmind 09:16:14 08/30/06 (0)
- Save the snake oil for the Indians - Soundmind 12:21:54 08/29/06 (19)
- A cable is "an attenuator", my friend. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:34:49 08/29/06 (18)
- Not deliberately - Soundmind 12:56:20 08/29/06 (17)
- Enough is enough. Quit your soap shows please. (nt) - cheap-Jack 06:51:10 08/30/06 (4)
- What's your problem, don't confuse us with the facts, our minds are made up? I get it. - Soundmind 08:17:02 08/30/06 (3)
- How "actually much worse" ??? - cheap-Jack 13:28:54 08/30/06 (2)
- Cheap-Jack, Consider The Source - thetubeguy1954 09:38:42 08/31/06 (1)
- Re: Cheap-Jack, Consider The Source - john curl 12:19:36 08/31/06 (0)
- That's part of the equation - E-Stat 14:51:27 08/29/06 (11)
- Right, where can we get a "perfect cable"? - cheap-Jack 06:45:34 08/30/06 (0)
- Re: That's part of the equation - Soundmind 16:21:25 08/29/06 (9)
- You're not learning - E-Stat 17:47:55 08/29/06 (8)
- No, I'm teaching - Soundmind 17:58:38 08/29/06 (7)
- Only to those who don't know better - E-Stat 19:04:51 08/29/06 (6)
- Why waste yr time on soapy nuts? (nt) - cheap-Jack 07:06:36 08/30/06 (5)
- Good question - E-Stat 07:50:27 08/30/06 (4)
- Mind you.. - cheap-Jack 13:04:05 08/30/06 (3)
- Re: Mind you.. - john curl 13:51:21 08/30/06 (2)
- I am listening.. - cheap-Jack 18:19:31 08/30/06 (1)
- Re: I am listening.. - john curl 18:51:10 08/30/06 (0)
- Subjectivity is a basic instinct, but can be rational. - cheap-Jack 12:16:54 08/29/06 (3)
- "Can't explain at all as CD is 100% non-contact laser sensing." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 07:38:35 08/30/06 (2)
- Re: "Can't explain at all as CD is 100% non-contact laser sensing." Hmm... - Soundmind 09:29:54 08/30/06 (1)
- You're as risibly wrong as ever and shamelessly flaunting it. Bless you for being such a bad example to all. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:34:48 08/30/06 (0)