In Reply to: Answser the question!. posted by Dan Banquer on August 20, 2006 at 05:29:56:
I didn't say that tube DESIGNS were better than solid state, I said that A TUBE is better than any solid state device in many ways.
I lived with and used tubes in my hi fi system for the first thirty years of my life. I learned the fundamentals of tube design in college classes along with transistor design. Over 40 years ago I used to repair and maintain vacuum tube hi fi amps and preamps, at Berkeley Custom Electronics, (a high end hi fi store) while I finished college. For the first 10 years of my serious commitment to hi fi as an avocation, I used tube amps, preamps, and tuners almost exclusively, while I learned even more about designing solid state amps to compete with tube design. This is when I developed the complementary differential input stage, in 1968, and achieved distortion levels at 1W below .005%. Since I was using a K-horn, I didn't need more than 10W at the time. It had taken me years to make a power amp that sounded better than a stock Dyna mk3 power amp, but I still had a difficult time matching the sound quality of a Radiocraftsman 10W triode power amp. When I measured both amps, I found that they BOTH achieved .005% IM distortion at 1W slowly rising to .1% IM at 10 W, Neither had crossover distortion as I ran my transistor power amp at .5A quiescent current. They BOTH had a damping factor of about 40, and their frequency response both extended to 100KHz.
What could be the audible difference then?
My imagination? I think not. Then, I read the first paper by Matti Otala, in 1970, that promoted high slew rate, and high open loop bandwidth. I found that the slew rate of my l0W power amp was only a few volts/microsecond, because I had tended to overcompensate the dominant pole in order to get maximum stability with any capacitive load without a lead network or an output inductor. I had gone too far, but this did not effect the IM measurements. I modified the compensation to make the power amp a bit faster, and this did help it subjectively.
Now, why do I design solid state, yet give some credit to tubes? I design solid state, because I am good at it, and it allows more combinations of creative topology, BECAUSE it has complementary devices, lower noise, both enhancement and depletion mode devices, which allows more creative freedom (for me) to try different topologies.
Still, tubes give me serious competition, and I know it.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Answser the question!. - john curl 10:10:21 08/20/06 (41)
- Re: Ok - theaudiohobby 11:15:24 08/20/06 (40)
- Re: Ok - john curl 13:12:51 08/20/06 (39)
- Re: Ok, but why? - theaudiohobby 14:15:33 08/20/06 (38)
- Re: Ok, but why? - morricab 03:14:17 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Ok, but why? - theaudiohobby 12:20:39 08/21/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, but why? - morricab 02:59:04 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 19:15:32 08/20/06 (2)
- Re: Ok, but why? - morricab 03:16:02 08/21/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 03:39:26 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Ok, but why? - john curl 15:32:05 08/20/06 (31)
- Re: Ok, but why? - theaudiohobby 10:44:49 08/21/06 (6)
- Re: Ok, but why? - john curl 10:59:40 08/21/06 (5)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - theaudiohobby 12:11:22 08/21/06 (4)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - john curl 13:57:46 08/21/06 (3)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - theaudiohobby 20:50:13 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - morricab 03:02:35 08/22/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, some clarification - theaudiohobby 05:08:13 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Soundmind 17:31:28 08/20/06 (23)
- Re: Ok, but why? - john curl 20:28:38 08/20/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, but why? - Soundmind 20:49:04 08/20/06 (0)
- Wow. That wasn't a straw man: - robert young 18:57:31 08/20/06 (20)
- Re: I hope that you appreciate that this is a scientific forum - theaudiohobby 12:13:25 08/21/06 (5)
- Let's see.... - robert young 12:37:10 08/21/06 (4)
- Re: Well - theaudiohobby 12:43:19 08/21/06 (3)
- If that was the criteria for posting here... - robert young 12:54:07 08/21/06 (2)
- Re: Wow. That wasn't a straw man: - Soundmind 19:04:03 08/20/06 (13)
- Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - robert young 04:44:25 08/21/06 (12)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - Soundmind 04:57:30 08/21/06 (11)
- The World according to SM - robert young 10:31:15 08/21/06 (1)
- Mostly what they've got are large bank accounts....from their 10000% markups nt - Soundmind 11:56:44 08/21/06 (0)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - thetubeguy1954 09:19:49 08/21/06 (8)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - Soundmind 09:59:10 08/21/06 (7)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - thetubeguy1954 11:03:52 08/21/06 (5)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - Soundmind 11:53:19 08/21/06 (4)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - morricab 03:17:20 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: Naw, SM, I didn't say what they were good for. - john curl 14:03:11 08/21/06 (1)
- Remind me not to stand near the first time you throw the switch on a new one - Soundmind 14:06:41 08/21/06 (0)
- Yeah, now we're getting somewhere!! - robert young 12:42:02 08/21/06 (0)
- "I have other ideas which don't much interest anyone either." - robert young 10:28:10 08/21/06 (0)