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In Reply to: RE: Yes, - the solidrun processor board is the least important posted by AbeCollins on February 28, 2019 at 21:17:17:
""I thought we had this discussion a couple years ago but you seem to struggle with the idea.""That is your unreasonable & erroneous, interpretation. I'm afraid that you are the only one struggling here....
Anytime that you need some help, I could give you a lesson in logic, deductive reasoning, and how we derive definitions of things.
""The microRendu, ultraRendu, opticalRendu, Raspberry Pi, etc. are all "computers" ""Yes, - they are single purpose computers, and I never denied that to be true.
What I've always asserted is how LAYPEOPLE and audiophiles, and not-so-technical, (normal) folks talk about computers: they "Define" them or "refer to them" to "multi-function" AS computers, - They do not "REFE" single purpose computers designed exclusively for individual networking/file processing tasks, as computers when they speak of them.
Laypeople, do not speak of their Apple TV as a computer, - even though it is. They call it an Apple TV. They call their SoTM SMS200 a "Digital File Player." In common parlance, - "Please turn off the TV."
Multi-function computers, like MACMini, Dell-Laptop, HP Proliant, etc. - when playing music, - are more noisy and (if using the USB audio codec), - lack the signal integrity with their multi-port, USB bus: as opposed to an isolated, and regenerated single port, reclocked, USB signal.
A Nest camera is also technically a computer, - but housewives don't call their Nest camera a computer.
No point in re-hashing this definition that you refuse to understand, (at one point, you even argued the dictionary definition of a computer), - but most everyone here, - except you, - knows that they need to violate the multi-functionality of a multi-function computer in order to improve it for enhanced audio performance.
John Swenson's (Former Intel Engineer) development work IN HIGH END audio hardware I/O boards is much better than any Apple engineer's work in HIGH END AUDIO, as it's very likely that that Apple Engineer doesn't believe that high end audio exists. And their job, and the purpose of any Apple or Dell computer is to perform (likely) hundreds of different functions: where the Rendu, DCS, and SoTM products are designed to perform just one. These systems are designed and optimized for just one "processing" job.
Ironic that you're using an Intona to IMPROVE the (poorer) performance of the USB output of your multi-function computer. Just think how much BETTER your MacMini would be with an Uptone Audio LPS power supply kit.....
That fact that the humble, $200 single-purpose Razberri/Allo-DigiOne music file player almost equals a (conservative price) $1200 MacMini tells one a lot about the audio performance level of a computer designed for Email, spreadsheets, photo-editing, web-browsing... etc.etc...
Of course, the truth about the performance level of file player products designed by folks who know about BOTH disciplines does not help you sell Apple products. Indeed, when people make distinctions when speaking about their Digital File Players, as having better (audio) performing I/O boards/hardware, - this doesn't help you sell Apple products.
All of this flies in the face of most everyone's else's experiences, - where (to their satisfaction) it's been proven that these little single purpose digital file players outperform multi-function ones.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Edits: 03/01/19
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- What you write is not true - Sordidman 11:15:59 03/01/19 (63)
- The SolidRun SoM in the Regen is a general purpose computer - Dave_K 05:11:50 03/02/19 (52)
- Hi Dave - Sordidman 13:07:33 03/02/19 (14)
- I don't assume they all sound the same - Dave_K 13:23:33 03/02/19 (13)
- I just explained two things, they are both NOT general purpose - Sordidman 13:45:24 03/02/19 (12)
- It absolutely IS a general purpose computer - Dave_K 14:20:22 03/02/19 (11)
- You can't have a computer without I/O - Sordidman 14:42:15 03/02/19 (10)
- You are one dense puppy...... He just showed you the I/O - nt - AbeCollins 14:43:12 03/02/19 (9)
- WHere? Did you look at Ivan's pic? -t - Sordidman 14:45:45 03/02/19 (8)
- All the I/O is there - Dave_K 15:16:28 03/02/19 (7)
- OK, - thanks for explaining (this advances the discussion/argument). - Sordidman 15:40:22 03/02/19 (6)
- This debate has become semantic and diverted from my point - Dave_K 16:46:56 03/02/19 (2)
- Thank you - Sordidman 17:18:04 03/02/19 (1)
- Speaking of ISO-REGEN. There could be noise issues with that design - AbeCollins 08:03:17 03/03/19 (0)
- RE: OK, - thanks for explaining (this advances the discussion/argument). - AbeCollins 16:01:27 03/02/19 (2)
- OK. Technically speaking. - Sordidman 16:29:41 03/02/19 (1)
- "And this is why I say that the computer isn't "complete" without connectors" - AbeCollins 07:39:53 03/03/19 (0)
- RE: "There is no reason to assume the USB output of the SolidRun board is any better than the USB ... - Ivan303 10:28:53 03/02/19 (16)
- RE: "There is no reason to assume the USB output of the SolidRun board is any better than the USB ... - Dave_K 13:45:35 03/02/19 (7)
- SaC vs. SoM, as in System on a Chip vs. System on a Module... - Ivan303 16:37:09 03/02/19 (3)
- RE: SaC vs. SoM, as in System on a Chip vs. System on a Module... - AbeCollins 07:53:21 03/03/19 (0)
- System on a chip: thanks for that post - Sordidman 16:57:01 03/02/19 (1)
- RE: System on a chip: thanks for that post - Dave_K 10:48:35 03/03/19 (0)
- Not correct. John's board is not a typical or stock USB board. -t - Sordidman 13:54:29 03/02/19 (2)
- Dave_K never said that........ - AbeCollins 14:14:48 03/02/19 (1)
- You both continually repeat it, and he/you just repeated again - Sordidman 14:43:56 03/02/19 (0)
- So true, and you are right on with this important distinction - Sordidman 13:14:14 03/02/19 (3)
- What do you think a "processor board" is ? - AbeCollins 14:16:29 03/02/19 (2)
- ?? - Sordidman 15:58:12 03/02/19 (1)
- Here's another source that says it's a computer - AbeCollins 07:29:24 03/04/19 (0)
- Oh no!! There's a switching power supply in there. How could that be? - AbeCollins 11:05:52 03/02/19 (3)
- Changing the subject? - Sordidman 13:26:13 03/02/19 (2)
- Sure, why not since..... - AbeCollins 14:24:27 03/02/19 (1)
- Experience - Sordidman 14:52:23 03/02/19 (0)
- RE: The SolidRun SoM in the Regen is a general purpose computer - Mercman 06:22:10 03/02/19 (19)
- There's a computer inside ! ;-) - AbeCollins 10:00:48 03/02/19 (18)
- There's a processor board inside! ;-) Not a computer until you add - Sordidman 13:47:47 03/02/19 (4)
- There is absolutely I/O on the Solid-Run SoM board.... - AbeCollins 14:31:58 03/02/19 (3)
- Functionality or physical connectors? Show me a pic - Sordidman 14:56:55 03/02/19 (2)
- RE: Functionality or physical connectors? Show me a pic - Dave_K 15:27:17 03/02/19 (1)
- Nope.... - Sordidman 15:49:21 03/02/19 (0)
- RE: There's a computer inside ! ;-) - Mercman 10:31:36 03/02/19 (12)
- But only a small part of the uRendu is the 'computer' part.... - Ivan303 10:45:40 03/02/19 (11)
- Yep. Thanks for pics. -t. - Sordidman 14:02:31 03/02/19 (0)
- RE: But only a small part of the uRendu is the 'computer' part.... - AbeCollins 10:59:49 03/02/19 (9)
- Here's the link on the review ...................... - Cut-Throat 14:28:04 03/02/19 (4)
- THanks for this.....and proving my point PRECISLEY - Sordidman 15:04:36 03/02/19 (2)
- You're back peddling.... - AbeCollins 16:05:26 03/02/19 (1)
- OK Thanks for at least conceding that at least, phew.... - Sordidman 16:44:40 03/02/19 (0)
- Single Board Computer in the microRendu..... - AbeCollins 14:39:28 03/02/19 (0)
- The heart is the processor board: and it's not a computer - Sordidman 13:50:10 03/02/19 (3)
- Shaking my head... what do you think a processor board is? - AbeCollins 14:26:56 03/02/19 (2)
- No I/O so not. Look up the definition of a computer. - Sordidman 15:06:56 03/02/19 (1)
- Lots of I/O there if you would only recognize it... - AbeCollins 16:07:53 03/02/19 (0)
- RE: What you write is not true - Mercman 15:00:30 03/01/19 (9)
- Awesome! I want to be you! (smile) - Sordidman 15:27:19 03/01/19 (8)
- RE: Awesome! I want to be you! (smile) - Mercman 01:21:01 03/02/19 (1)
- Thank you! I was super curious about the Gigafoil isolator - Sordidman 13:59:04 03/02/19 (0)
- Yup... the higher the price tag the better the SQ - AbeCollins 18:58:24 03/01/19 (5)
- The less research the less knowledge...... - Sordidman 13:53:01 03/02/19 (3)
- Look in the mirror dude and let us know when... - AbeCollins 14:44:36 03/02/19 (2)
- buy a dictionary, look at the pictures: snivel less -t - Sordidman 15:09:34 03/02/19 (1)
- Get a clue. It's a computer - AbeCollins 07:37:03 03/04/19 (0)
- It takes a lot of money in this Hobby to realize it doesn't take a lot of money ....nt - Cut-Throat 19:00:33 03/01/19 (0)
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