In Reply to: May Belt Article in current Positive Feedback Online posted by bjh on April 18, 2007 at 08:52:06:
We have but only two avenues available to us to change the sound of our audio systems:1) Make changes in the system/room
2) Make changes in the listener
We simply tend to dismiss the latter as something of less value than the former because it can't be commoditized and isn't necessarily fungible.I suspect Beltian effects manifest in the listener(s), not the electronics. I see nothing insidious about that, although I do (like others) tend to value my money differently when considering these things.
%22In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.%22 - Yogi Berra
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Follow Ups
- Beltian effects - Sommovigo 10:08:12 04/18/07 (59)
- Or make changes in the software, in the recording. nt - TomLarson 12:25:39 04/18/07 (4)
- But that would be the same change ... - Sommovigo 13:38:25 04/18/07 (3)
- Re: But that would be the same change ... - TomLarson 10:38:41 04/19/07 (2)
- fixed variable - Sommovigo 10:54:50 04/19/07 (1)
- Yup, Liked it a lot! nt... - TomLarson 11:36:05 04/19/07 (0)
- I'll drink to that! (NT) - Kal Rubinson 15:41:27 04/18/07 (2)
- Would be a belt of - Sommovigo 16:10:39 04/18/07 (1)
- Wry. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 17:33:38 04/18/07 (0)
- Two things... - bjh 17:21:00 04/18/07 (30)
- Re: Two things... - Sommovigo 17:34:10 04/18/07 (29)
- Re: Two things... - bjh 20:51:11 04/18/07 (28)
- Don't forget they are vendors, not audio consumers like us. - cheap-Jack 08:20:07 05/15/07 (0)
- Belief - Sommovigo 21:40:29 04/18/07 (6)
- Captain and Tennille - JCS 02:46:35 04/19/07 (2)
- Capt and Tenille - Sommovigo 08:44:40 04/19/07 (1)
- Captain and Tennille - JCS 09:35:04 04/19/07 (0)
- I think most of us listeners are already tweaked - Kloss 06:13:10 04/19/07 (0)
- Those two don't hold a candle to the Starland Vocal Band... - Wellfed 21:21:25 04/23/07 (1)
- Starland's Afternoon Delight ... - Sommovigo 07:23:26 04/24/07 (0)
- I cant leave it at that - Analog Scott 08:11:24 04/19/07 (19)
- Rule of the game: Vendors know what they sell, but ... - cheap-Jack 12:26:10 05/14/07 (0)
- Why do placebos work "X" percent of the time? - Bruce Kendall 11:21:40 04/19/07 (17)
- Re: Why do placebos work "X" percent of the time? - TomLarson 11:40:44 04/19/07 (0)
- Re: Why do placebos work "X" percent of the time? - Analog Scott 12:12:49 04/19/07 (6)
- By giving it a label (snake oil) - Bruce Kendall 13:39:56 04/19/07 (5)
- Re: By giving it a label (snake oil) - Analog Scott 13:58:07 04/19/07 (2)
- You got it. - Bruce Kendall 14:09:59 04/19/07 (0)
- Who says snake oil doesn't work? - Dave Pogue 05:42:58 04/20/07 (0)
- Re: By giving it a label (snake oil) - morricab 16:34:26 04/22/07 (1)
- But the thing is... - Wellfed 10:56:49 04/23/07 (0)
- "I have much better ways to spend my money." And you know this... how...? nt - clarkjohnsen 13:27:55 04/21/07 (8)
- Did I mention that I have friends who are - Bruce Kendall 13:36:40 04/21/07 (6)
- Are we to asume then that you've listened? You seem to be avoiding such a statement... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:38:56 04/21/07 (5)
- I have. Several tests, and in my listening room. -t - Bruce Kendall 16:19:15 04/21/07 (0)
- That's really funny coming from you. Do you recommend Belt's pic-in-freezer "tweak"? nt - Rick W 09:02:29 04/22/07 (0)
- Re: Are we to asume then that you've listened? You seem to be avoiding such a statement... nt - morricab 16:29:25 04/22/07 (2)
- Add to "deadly dull prose", "stodgy humor". nt - clarkjohnsen 07:49:13 04/23/07 (1)
- Re: Add to "deadly dull prose", "stodgy humor". nt - morricab 09:34:45 04/23/07 (0)
- Re: "I have much better ways to spend my money." And you know this... how...? nt - morricab 16:31:18 04/22/07 (0)
- Re: Beltian effects - Analog Scott 07:54:24 04/19/07 (1)
- Very interesting point! - Sommovigo 08:41:18 04/19/07 (0)
- Do you really believe..... - Rick W 12:09:47 04/19/07 (15)
- Belief - Sommovigo 12:16:25 04/19/07 (14)
- Well, Mr. Clark didn't know what was being done, so he lacked the "benefit" of a pre-existing belief. - Enophile 12:33:27 04/19/07 (6)
- Mysterious ... - Sommovigo 13:27:57 04/19/07 (1)
- My hunch... - Enophile 14:21:46 04/19/07 (0)
- Re: Well, Mr. Clark didn't know what was being done, so he lacked the "benefit" of a pre-existing belief. - apesma 14:09:22 04/19/07 (3)
- Ummmm...? How to say it? Ah! got it. - bjh 14:30:26 04/19/07 (1)
- Re: Ummmm...? How to say it? Ah! got it. - apesma 14:33:13 04/19/07 (0)
- If you change just one belief this year... - Wellfed 15:09:57 04/22/07 (0)
- How do you suppose Belt arrived at the pic in freezer thing? - Rick W 13:26:33 04/19/07 (6)
- Re: How do you suppose Belt arrived at the pic in freezer thing? - Sommovigo 13:29:37 04/19/07 (3)
- Thanx. A chuckle is always welcome. nt - Rick W 13:51:20 04/19/07 (0)
- Yeah, but... - Wellfed 17:19:58 04/23/07 (1)
- Bad Acid and Acid Bad ... - Sommovigo 17:55:44 04/23/07 (0)
- "Putting purple lipstick on your dog?" - SF tech 08:52:25 04/20/07 (1)
- Works better if you send me money for a "specially treated" lipstick. - Enophile 08:55:30 04/20/07 (0)
- Re: "Beltian effects" otherwise known as pyschoactive drugs - Bruce from DC 15:57:31 04/20/07 (0)
- Score: Sommovigo-10, Other side-...er,... - cdb 20:07:27 04/20/07 (0)