In Reply to: The local sales force seems riled up by the theory of remediation. posted by Enophile on June 6, 2010 at 11:08:52:
before replying. One of the thing which distresses me is the fact that too many consumers think that by throwing hideous sums of money on audio components that they will achieve both nirvana and perfection. Audio nirvana is obviously a state of mind and can be achieved at any level with many varied components. Perfection is far more difficult both to define and to achieve.
I will discount the Audio Nirvana, because that is a state of mind. Audio perfection is no easier to define, however, because musical perfection and performance is very difficult to achieve even in real life. Levitin partially discusses this, but admits that the vocabulary is not for the typical layman, and that even musicians themselves develop a certain vocabulary unique to themselves, sometimes.
Training is of essence. One can take a formal class, but even beyond that it takes years if not decades (in my case and in my experience) of analytical listening. There are very few listeners who do that sort of listening and to continue such listening over many decades is something else.
To not be able to hear certain things should not be construed as a insult. To think that one's hearing is better than everyone else or the same as everyone else's is likewise very flawed. I have very good friends who are perfectly happy with their Bose Wave. I have friends who have invested over a $100K into their Audio Systems who are not happy with their sound. For many you have to grow into your system and into the idea that there is a certain "sound" which you find pleasing to your ear.
There is no doubt that for the "uneducated" ear certain facets of music are relatively unimportant. Likewise, those aspects may be important to another individual. That Is the principle why7 I dislike when someone claims that some tweak sounds "better", a very subjective and a statement of qualia and open to doubt.
If I say I adding a quartz crystal in a certain location in my electronics imparts a clearer top end, more controlled and less shrill. That is far more useful comment than saying ii sounds better. You can then assess your own sound and determine if that is a change that you desire.
In examining the insides of most audio components, there is very little that is truly custom made. Most components use off the shelf components that can be relatively easily replicated. I find it more interesting to find out why certain components make the kind of difference that is attributed to them ( caps, resisters, wires, etc). Not enough members of the asylum spend time doing this. and I have often stated that the delta x factor is more important than the final outcome.
Stu
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Follow Ups
- I debated a while - unclestu 14:26:12 06/14/10 (71)
- "To not be able to hear certain things should not be construed as a insult." I agree. - Enophile 17:36:34 06/19/10 (69)
- RE: "I'm also in favor of tweaking actual gear!" - geoffkait 10:11:27 06/22/10 (68)
- rainbow foil - unclestu 14:05:57 06/25/10 (65)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - geoffkait 05:37:06 06/26/10 (16)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - unclestu 18:08:52 07/12/10 (6)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - geoffkait 04:34:25 07/17/10 (5)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - rick_m 07:42:24 07/17/10 (4)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - geoffkait 08:14:32 07/17/10 (3)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - rick_m 09:35:00 07/17/10 (2)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - geoffkait 10:17:38 07/17/10 (1)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - rick_m 13:56:46 07/17/10 (0)
- RE: Piezoelectric crystals - rick_m 06:51:19 06/29/10 (8)
- Always nice to hear from someone - geoffkait 10:59:41 06/29/10 (7)
- Sonny.... - rick_m 12:27:45 06/29/10 (6)
- No worries, Rick M, Geoffie is just trolling you. - Enophile 08:27:34 06/30/10 (1)
- What, me worry? - rick_m 20:11:45 06/30/10 (0)
- You may call me Sunny - geoffkait 14:09:16 06/29/10 (3)
- Rick - unclestu 18:16:07 07/12/10 (2)
- RE: Cluster of tourmaline - geoffkait 05:30:07 07/13/10 (1)
- RE: Cluster of tourmaline - rick_m 07:02:53 07/13/10 (0)
- RE: rainbow foil - geoffkait 03:55:02 06/26/10 (44)
- RE: rainbow foil - unclestu 18:10:27 07/12/10 (43)
- RE: rainbow foil - geoffkait 10:32:50 07/13/10 (42)
- That's funny - unclestu 17:49:30 07/16/10 (41)
- RE: This is funnier - geoffkait 05:20:03 07/17/10 (40)
- So.... - unclestu 18:20:54 07/21/10 (39)
- RE: So.... - May Belt 04:42:25 07/22/10 (10)
- RE: Sound science - geoffkait 04:57:55 07/22/10 (9)
- RE: Sound science - rick_m 07:41:33 07/22/10 (8)
- RE: Sound science - geoffkait 08:03:37 07/22/10 (7)
- RE: Sound science - rick_m 10:12:44 07/22/10 (6)
- RE: "Arm waving" Huh? - geoffkait 10:34:54 07/22/10 (5)
- Huh? - unclestu 16:15:28 07/22/10 (4)
- RE: "Anyone put more into explaining the tweaks? Don't make me laugh." - geoffkait 17:18:36 07/22/10 (3)
- Yeah - unclestu 15:50:05 07/23/10 (2)
- RE: "I've read your stuff but it doesn't hold sense in the world I live in." - geoffkait 04:02:52 07/24/10 (1)
- OK "scientist" - unclestu 18:35:18 07/26/10 (0)
- RE: "I seriously doubt if the Belts actually make their own foil." - geoffkait 04:00:21 07/22/10 (27)
- You are avoiding the issue - unclestu 16:13:22 07/22/10 (26)
- RE: You are avoiding the issue - May Belt 04:43:55 07/23/10 (24)
- My point exactly - unclestu 18:37:27 07/26/10 (23)
- RE: My point exactly - May Belt 10:46:05 07/28/10 (22)
- RE: My point exactly - unclestu 22:00:41 07/28/10 (21)
- RE: My point exactly - May Belt 11:48:19 07/29/10 (20)
- Interesting - unclestu 17:07:33 08/02/10 (19)
- RE: Interesting - May Belt 04:25:22 08/05/10 (0)
- RE: "Why 320 Hz?" - geoffkait 10:05:46 08/04/10 (17)
- Funny - unclestu 00:05:43 08/05/10 (3)
- RE: Not so Funny - geoffkait 03:36:45 08/05/10 (2)
- Your leap to - unclestu 17:46:36 08/11/10 (1)
- RE: Mysticism - geoffkait 03:07:56 08/12/10 (0)
- RE: "Why 320 Hz?" - rick_m 11:03:54 08/04/10 (12)
- RE: "What books?" - geoffkait 11:16:29 08/04/10 (11)
- RE: "What books?" - rick_m 21:55:36 08/04/10 (3)
- Pop Quiz - geoffkait 08:14:32 08/06/10 (2)
- Yawn... back to morphic resonance, - unclestu 17:49:19 08/04/10 (6)
- RE: Molecular biologists - geoffkait 04:37:10 08/05/10 (0)
- RE: Yawn... back to morphic resonance, - May Belt 04:21:40 08/05/10 (4)
- The beauty of science - unclestu 15:40:59 08/06/10 (3)
- RE: The beauty of science - May Belt 04:06:12 08/07/10 (2)
- RE: "Unless Peter and May have super natural powers, I would simply conclude their process can be replicated." - geoffkait 17:07:32 07/22/10 (0)
- RE: rainbow foil - May Belt 22:05:48 06/25/10 (2)
- Uh, oh. Better read Geoff's reply. - Enophile 12:56:40 06/28/10 (1)
- RE: Uh, oh. Better read Geoff's reply. - May Belt 05:04:47 07/01/10 (0)
- It varies: which tweak claims to be the result of fictional subconcious universal evolutionary forces? - Enophile 21:17:39 06/22/10 (1)
- RE:"And which one actually affects the gear?" I get, it, now, you're superstitious. - geoffkait 16:06:10 06/23/10 (0)
- RE: I debated a while - rick_m 11:43:49 06/16/10 (0)