In Reply to: RE: Hand Cream and static. posted by zanash on July 24, 2007 at 00:11:06:
>>Just to say I'm open minded on the pwb thing ...some things have worked for me and others have not. All I will say is that if the pwb creams work half as well as the "hand cream tweak" then they should be a good investment. <<
PWB's "Cream Electret" is -far- more effective than hand lotion (even though, IMO, both work on the same principle). AFAIC, given the accessible price and how little you need for it to be effective, it's one of the best investments you can make in audio today. (BTW US: it does not contain any ingredients harmful to CDs. People have been using it for many years on their CDs).
>>I've only treated on cd to prove the effect..the idea was passed on to me by a freind. Its relatively messy and makes the cd hard to handle ...think off trying to put an eel into your cd draw !<<
That's because you're not using it as I advised. Mine are not messy at all, and I can barely tell, if at all, that there was anything applied to the disc.
To address UncleStu and Enophile's concerns: I have placed my treated CDs in a bag as advised by Enophile, it's been a few days, absolutely no difference. They work fine and as I said, I (still) can't really tell there was anything applied.
BTW, you should always handle your CDs by the edge. Who knows what fingerprint oils may do to your sound.....
>>As to the static explanation...its possible but I feel theres more going on than that. Such a fundamental alteration of the sound by the aplication of a lipid based product seems odd in the extreme.
May be those who propund the static idea could test a cd with a"gold leaf electroscope"<<
Again, those who propose the static idea do not have to buy a "gold leaf electroscope" (or rather, try to steal one from a museum, since these things came out in the 18th century...), let alone know how to operate one. They simply have to follow the simple steps that I advised! In seconds and at no cost to you, you will be able to tell whether the effect is due to static or, as I have stated, Beltism.
>>I'm more inclined [though I have no evidence] to think is more likely a molecular force ...van de waals forces ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force
Though again why this would be affect cd play back is beyond me.<<
Wayyyy off. It's Beltism.
>>Remember I only posted this as I was able to hear an effect, I don't pretend to have any answers.<<
Do the test, you'll have the answers."silence tells me secretly, everything..."
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Follow Ups
- RE: Hand Cream and static. - Posy Rorer 09:16:48 07/24/07 (110)
- NOTE ALL: The two responses just below were simply intended to derail the discussion. - clarkjohnsen 09:22:15 07/25/07 (1)
- STALKER ALERT!!! New thread policeman in town? - Enophile 09:57:38 07/25/07 (0)
- The product names, "Cream Electret" and "Sol Electret" imply something via their use of the word "electret." - Enophile 11:16:52 07/24/07 (1)
- RE: The product names, "Cream Electret" and "Sol Electret" imply something via their use of the word "electret." - Posy Rorer 12:19:54 07/25/07 (0)
- Be aware though... - rlw 10:41:35 07/24/07 (12)
- RE: Be aware though... - zanash 01:39:27 07/26/07 (0)
- Now you're comparing me to a Nazi? Yeah, you're really convincing us you're not a troll. - Posy Rorer 13:39:31 07/25/07 (4)
- Posy is everyone you disagree with a troll? - Lt Einhorn 05:51:33 06/09/15 (0)
- Not Hitler, you dolt, it's the Chermans, Tommy! - rlw 09:32:11 07/26/07 (0)
- Godwin's Law...excellent. - Enophile 14:59:37 07/25/07 (1)
- RE: Godwin's Law...excellent. - Posy Rorer 16:20:31 07/25/07 (0)
- Once they get a foothold in your house you can never get rid of them - geoffkait 11:00:44 07/24/07 (5)
- You already used that line, Geoff... - rlw 11:15:37 07/24/07 (4)
- "Most of us" - geoffkait 11:26:51 07/24/07 (3)
- I'm not a baker... - rlw 11:35:50 07/24/07 (2)
- Not a pretty picture... - Wellfed 20:14:03 07/24/07 (0)
- Rlw, I have to admit you do exude a certain, uh, charm... - geoffkait 13:32:56 07/24/07 (0)
- "Do the test, you'll have the answers." - pburant 10:03:05 07/24/07 (92)
- RE: "Do the test, you'll have the answers." - Posy Rorer 13:17:05 07/25/07 (0)
- "[Your] ideas are never accompanied by any validation of the ideas." Yep. Einstein wrote those papers... - clarkjohnsen 09:18:50 07/25/07 (90)
- He demonstrated the math - unclestu52 19:07:47 07/25/07 (89)
- Lemaitre also demonstrated the math. Einstein didn't believe him. -nt - Posy Rorer 20:28:49 07/25/07 (88)
- Notice the weasely shift from lack of "validation" to *well, he did the math.* LOL! - clarkjohnsen 08:41:58 07/26/07 (84)
- A dim wit and a weasel, that I am - unclestu52 13:35:17 07/26/07 (83)
- A mathematical model for the Beltist phenomenon, as requested. - Posy Rorer 14:34:13 07/26/07 (64)
- Our antagonist weaseled out again; that, coupled with David Aitkin's notable takedown of his illogic... - clarkjohnsen 08:14:54 07/30/07 (55)
- It is a sad time - unclestu52 12:42:11 07/30/07 (52)
- Posey's Doubly-Sad Mathematical Model & The Mars Lunar Lander - Posy Rorer 20:38:51 07/30/07 (50)
- "I'm not sure why he is [an antagonist] to you." - clarkjohnsen 08:23:23 07/31/07 (45)
- Hatfield vs. McCoy: The Polarity Years - Posy Rorer 11:15:12 07/31/07 (44)
- All basically true, except that "it can only be determined subjectively". - clarkjohnsen 09:35:01 08/01/07 (0)
- RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy: The Polarity Years - rick_m 20:11:20 07/31/07 (1)
- RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy: The Polarity Years - Posy Rorer 22:27:48 07/31/07 (0)
- RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - unclestu52 13:49:35 07/31/07 (40)
- RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - Posy Rorer 16:20:50 07/31/07 (39)
- RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - unclestu52 18:30:32 07/31/07 (38)
- RE: I now understand the emphasis on amplitude measurements over time measurements - rick_m 19:56:03 07/31/07 (19)
- This very problem was fingered as a culprit in The Wood Effect (1988). - clarkjohnsen 10:14:16 08/01/07 (0)
- RE: I now understand the emphasis on amplitude measurements over time measurements - unclestu52 20:48:42 07/31/07 (17)
- RE: I now understand the emphasis on amplitude measurements over time measurements - rick_m 22:29:17 07/31/07 (16)
- Usually inverting the polarity - unclestu52 01:36:44 08/01/07 (15)
- RE: Usually inverting the polarity - rick_m 07:58:41 08/01/07 (14)
- See how "they" have been messing with you? Just as with polarity! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:17:21 08/01/07 (13)
- Still waiting to know who "they" are.... -nt - rick_m 11:56:28 08/02/07 (5)
- "They" are Them; haven't you seen the movie? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:00:03 08/02/07 (4)
- I'm confused. I thought "Them" was Van Morrison's old band? -nt - Posy Rorer 22:05:26 08/02/07 (1)
- Them too. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:26:25 08/03/07 (0)
- RE: "They" are Them; haven't you seen the movie? nt - rick_m 13:10:05 08/02/07 (1)
- It's a wretched movie indeed, but highly informative. I'm with you on The Simpsons. In fact... - clarkjohnsen 07:20:48 08/03/07 (0)
- Actually, I don't see... - rick_m 11:33:23 08/01/07 (6)
- Question: Do the "speaker guys" ever tell us that they're selling phase incoherencers? - clarkjohnsen 11:41:59 08/01/07 (5)
- RE: Question: Do the "speaker guys" ever tell us that they're selling phase incoherencers? - rick_m 13:50:21 08/01/07 (4)
- What you say, was already well-known back in the Seventies and Eighties. - clarkjohnsen 08:43:08 08/02/07 (3)
- What WASN'T covered in 'The Wood Effect'? - rick_m 10:11:00 08/02/07 (2)
- Answer: What WAS, was anything and everything to do with polarity. - clarkjohnsen 10:34:21 08/02/07 (1)
- LOL!!!!! - unclestu52 15:02:22 09/16/07 (0)
- RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - Posy Rorer 19:21:55 07/31/07 (17)
- A few observations on your observations - clarkjohnsen 10:10:22 08/01/07 (12)
- It is good to know - unclestu52 10:41:13 08/01/07 (11)
- RE: It is good to know - Posy Rorer 11:34:27 08/01/07 (10)
- RE: It is good to know - unclestu52 13:45:05 08/01/07 (9)
- RE: It is good to know - Posy Rorer 22:25:56 08/01/07 (8)
- The reason I tell him to "read the book" is because he claims to own it -- EXCEPT... - clarkjohnsen 09:00:01 08/02/07 (6)
- ex nihilo nihil fit - unclestu52 13:48:45 08/02/07 (5)
- aut concilio aut ense - Posy Rorer 22:57:11 08/02/07 (4)
- Yes; now you see what I mean. Good try, though, and thanks, but he's irredeemable. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:23:26 08/03/07 (2)
- The Clark sidestep.... - unclestu52 12:14:37 08/03/07 (0)
- Mind you, I added that before I had read his attempt at an indictment of me below. Lordy!! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:25:41 08/03/07 (0)
- My apologies for having - unclestu52 00:48:34 08/03/07 (0)
- Well, I am glad - unclestu52 22:38:26 08/01/07 (0)
- Did you know.... - unclestu52 19:51:37 07/31/07 (3)
- RE: Did you know.... - Posy Rorer 21:44:17 07/31/07 (2)
- "isn't the order of polarity locked into the recording?" No! - clarkjohnsen 11:35:43 08/01/07 (0)
- RE: Did you know.... - unclestu52 01:11:21 08/01/07 (0)
- Re Clark's Mathematical Model & The Mars Lunar Lander - unclestu52 22:19:43 07/30/07 (3)
- RE: Re Clark's Mathematical Model & The Mars Lunar Lander - Posy Rorer 00:31:26 07/31/07 (2)
- Lest this silliness continue... - clarkjohnsen 08:08:33 07/31/07 (1)
- Let's dance - unclestu52 13:54:09 07/31/07 (0)
- Re: "a degree in physics" - tlyyra 14:34:30 07/30/07 (0)
- You and Posy make quite a couple! - SF tech 11:17:50 07/30/07 (1)
- Naw, I think you & rlw make a much better couple. - Posy Rorer 21:51:56 07/30/07 (0)
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- Gee, thanks. You are too. Never deliberately, alas. -nt - Posy Rorer 11:20:07 07/31/07 (0)
- RE: "admittedly I haven't tried all of their tweaks." - geoffkait 14:05:22 07/26/07 (17)
- Geoff - unclestu52 22:20:15 07/26/07 (15)
- RE: Negative or no results - geoffkait 02:14:20 07/27/07 (14)
- ( ? ) - unclestu52 19:49:57 07/27/07 (13)
- Don't do it Stu! I'm counting on you... - rick_m 12:44:32 07/28/07 (0)
- RE: ( ? ) - May Belt 08:45:26 07/28/07 (11)
- Testing advice? - rick_m 12:22:08 07/28/07 (10)
- RE: Testing advice? - May Belt 08:00:48 07/29/07 (9)
- RE: Testing advice? - rick_m 10:47:25 07/29/07 (8)
- "I am a firm believer in... the power of suggestion." Indeed, and... - clarkjohnsen 08:04:42 07/30/07 (7)
- Us? - rick_m 10:24:32 07/30/07 (6)
- "Keep an open mind." - rick m - Posy Rorer 21:09:26 07/30/07 (4)
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- It's nice to be loved... - rlw 09:04:55 08/05/07 (0)
- Nice choice for "mockworthy". nt - clarkjohnsen 08:33:48 07/31/07 (0)
- "Question your beliefs. Question Authority. Keep an open mind. Have a beer." - SF tech 17:25:36 07/30/07 (0)
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