In Reply to: I agree with Ivan - I got the DXD multi-channel download myself posted by Chris from Lafayette on July 10, 2017 at 23:53:26:
The original recording was DSD64. All other rates are either upsamples in the DSD domain or PCM transcodes. None will contain more musical information than the original DSD 64.
Upsampling and transcoding can (and usually do IMO) produce unwanted artefacts which may be very subtle but may neveretheless be audible. So the simplest answer is to keep to the original recording format. However this is not possible here because, as with the the majority of DSD recordings, it has had to be converted to PCM for editing and then back to DSD. The latter process does not necessarily mean that any artefacts from transcodimg are obviated.
So, as all of the formats offered are compromised and as there can be no additional musical information in the higher rate conversions, two other factors become important.
The first is hardware i.e the DAC and how good the digital filter or filters ( if you have a choice) are with the particular format. This will have more effect upon the resultant sound than the format itself. In fact as far as I can work out the only advantage to upsampling is the ability to place the pole of the filter further outside of the audioband ( which may also allow use of a gentler filter characteristic albeit with lower suppresion of aliases). As the filter seems to be the trump card this accordingly provides an unpredicable situation for recommending formats on a general basis.
The second factor is cost. As the DSD64 version is less costly than the others and as it was the original format unless I had experience that one of the other formats always offered better sound with my particular equipment I would save my money and go for the DSD64.
Chris, that does not mean that your DXD version does not sound great. It does, but with your equipment. No guarantee that it will be better or best elsewhere.
NB: Out of interest I spent a merry hour or so last month converting redbook files to both DSD 128 and DXD. The result when going back to the original redbook was similar to removing a stone from a shoe. So nice when it (the upsampling) stops.
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Follow Ups
- Not necessarily so... - PAR 00:53:56 07/11/17 (65)
- But now the FINAL DSD64 file is derived from the DXD file because of the editing - Chris from Lafayette 10:16:27 07/11/17 (0)
- Your post raises a corollary question - Doktor Brahms 07:54:10 07/11/17 (1)
- RE: Your post raises a corollary question - PAR 09:14:56 07/11/17 (0)
- RE: Not necessarily so... - Ivan303 07:09:25 07/11/17 (61)
- Except I don't see any DXD release.. - PAR 08:06:05 07/11/17 (60)
- Try here: - Kal Rubinson 08:38:36 07/11/17 (59)
- Yep, guess there are two sites... - Ivan303 09:12:14 07/11/17 (58)
- RE: Yep, guess there are two sites... - PAR 09:25:05 07/11/17 (57)
- Chris bought the DXD multi channel so we know it's real... - Ivan303 10:10:58 07/11/17 (56)
- Will iTunes play discrete multichannel files? (NT) - Kal Rubinson 11:36:49 07/11/17 (16)
- No - but you could play them via Audirvana's "compatibility" mode. . . - Chris from Lafayette 15:56:14 07/11/17 (10)
- Yes, I've played multichannel in Audirvana................ - Kal Rubinson 16:42:41 07/11/17 (8)
- But did you do it in iTunes compatibility mode? - Chris from Lafayette 16:43:45 07/11/17 (7)
- Never use iTunes in any form. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 17:44:01 07/11/17 (5)
- Well, it's unfortunate. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:03:14 07/11/17 (4)
- Not really. - Kal Rubinson 18:15:06 07/11/17 (3)
- If it was a long time ago, it's likely not the same anymore [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:34:53 07/12/17 (2)
- Granted but................................ - Kal Rubinson 15:18:29 07/12/17 (1)
- I understand - no problem! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:10:14 07/12/17 (0)
- OK - I just tried it - Chris from Lafayette 17:20:44 07/11/17 (0)
- I have Audirvana but rarely use it... - Ivan303 16:10:04 07/11/17 (0)
- I can only afford two decent speakers... - Ivan303 15:30:12 07/11/17 (4)
- Face palm! - Kal Rubinson 15:52:17 07/11/17 (3)
- You and Chris are really odd folks.. - Ivan303 16:08:21 07/11/17 (2)
- You have to be careful - Chris from Lafayette 17:57:42 07/11/17 (1)
- So does my RtoR ladder DAC... - Ivan303 18:58:45 07/11/17 (0)
- 24/352.8 is what reads out on my DAC too! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:24:46 07/11/17 (38)
- My DAC will process a 24/352.8 file as well... - Ivan303 10:32:56 07/11/17 (37)
- Format Converters - Chris from Lafayette 11:14:25 07/11/17 (36)
- RE: Format Converters - ahendler 11:44:48 07/11/17 (35)
- Whoah! I never did that - the files I converted were 24/96 - Chris from Lafayette 15:48:08 07/11/17 (13)
- RE: Whoah! I never did that - the files I converted were 24/96 - ahendler 21:42:43 07/11/17 (12)
- Yes, and with this release hey will SELL you that DXD = 32/352.8k PCM 'Master'... - Ivan303 07:10:44 07/12/17 (0)
- Yes - that's the way it is on this new Mahler Third - Chris from Lafayette 00:52:30 07/12/17 (10)
- Well, I Wonder About That - Mel 07:13:19 07/12/17 (9)
- "I would have to conclude that 352.8KHz/24bit PCM (DXD) is the best they can now make available. " - Chris from Lafayette 09:07:40 07/12/17 (0)
- The main difference with Channel Classics and just about everyone else... - Ivan303 07:32:21 07/12/17 (7)
- RE: The main difference with Channel Classics and just about everyone else... - Mel 09:16:20 07/12/17 (6)
- RE: "and just how are we to figure it out"... - Ivan303 17:34:32 07/12/17 (0)
- RE: The main difference with Channel Classics and just about everyone else... - tailspn 13:09:37 07/12/17 (4)
- Wow! That would be great. nt - Mel 13:15:21 07/12/17 (3)
- RE: Wow! That would be great. - tailspn 15:46:23 07/13/17 (2)
- RE: Wow! That would be great. - tailspn 11:43:34 07/22/17 (0)
- Great News! - Mel 16:40:42 07/13/17 (0)
- It may be a FLAC or even a .wav file... - Ivan303 15:38:55 07/11/17 (9)
- "it doesn't necessarily have to be a .flac file, could just a easily be a .wav file" - Exactly - Chris from Lafayette 15:50:29 07/11/17 (8)
- RE: "Or, it could even be a 24/352.8 aiff file." - Ivan303 16:02:59 07/11/17 (7)
- RE: "Or, it could even be a 24/352.8 aiff file." - ahendler 21:49:00 07/11/17 (6)
- Agreed! This should be said more often. nt - Mel 11:51:28 07/12/17 (0)
- Differences or small to non-existant... - Ivan303 07:15:01 07/12/17 (0)
- "Do all these different formats really sound significantly different or are they small?" - Chris from Lafayette 00:46:23 07/12/17 (3)
- RE: "Do all these different formats really sound significantly different or are they small?" - ahendler 11:29:06 07/12/17 (2)
- I don't understand your post - Chris from Lafayette 12:08:07 07/12/17 (1)
- RE: I don't understand your post - ahendler 15:24:02 07/12/17 (0)
- Agreed. Just play it...................... - Kal Rubinson 13:23:37 07/11/17 (10)
- I convert FLAC to AIFF for playing using iTunes all the time.... - Ivan303 15:59:48 07/11/17 (9)
- I would never saddle myself with iTunes. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 16:40:49 07/11/17 (8)
- Of course you wouldn't.. - Ivan303 19:00:32 07/11/17 (7)
- Who are content with - E-Stat 17:15:28 07/12/17 (6)
- iTunes with a Bit Perfect plug-n... - Ivan303 17:47:42 07/12/17 (5)
- I'm with Kal -nt - E-Stat 18:13:01 07/12/17 (4)
- Sorry, you're three SoundLab Speakers short... - Ivan303 19:12:18 07/14/17 (3)
- But Tom's not. ;-) (NT) - Kal Rubinson 13:23:07 07/15/17 (0)
- I'm with... - E-Stat 09:59:59 07/15/17 (1)
- Attended RMAF most if not all of the years Ray had those up and running.... - Ivan303 19:55:06 07/15/17 (0)