This is about the recent recording of the Mahler 3rd with Fischer and the Budapest Festival Orch. I'm looking to buy a copy, possibly by download.
The 2 channel version is offered in:
DSD256, 128 and 64; and FLAC192, 96 and 41KHz. It is also offered as an SACD which I take to be DSD64.
The engineering description given by Channel Classics is:
The recording was originally digitized using the Grimm AD1, which operates at DSD64. The original session tracks were edited and rebalanced (which meant going through the mixer) in the only available format for that purpose; the Pyramix 352.8KHz/24bit PCM (DXD). Prior to the advent of direct digital delivery, the next step in the production process from 352.8KHz/24bit PCM would be the DSD64 edited master for SACD production. What we have done now is also make a direct conversion to DSD128 and DSD256 from that original DXD edited master, without going through any interim processing steps. Those DXD to DSD conversions are not up-samplings, as they would be going from one PCM sampling rate to another, for they are different encoding systems. PCM is a digital value sample based system, and DSD is a digital bit density modulated system. Conversion from any PCM sample rate to any DSD bit rate system is a remodulation, not an up-sampling. We feel there is an audio advantage to this process in using the original files so we give you the choice and you can decide. Jared Sacks
So, if I am reading this right the recording starts out as DSD64 and gets converted to PCM and back to DSD64 for the SACD. [I presume a .dsf rip from the SACD would be the same as the DSD64.]
Then the PCM file is converted to higher order DSD versions and presumably to the FLAC files.
As the original recording was in DSD64 is there any benefit to having the DSD128 or 256 versions?
As the mixdown was in PCM would it be better to stay with the FLAC versions?
Would appreciate if someone could shed some light here. Though Channel Classics distributed a sample in any version, it was an out-take with almost no music on it.
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Topic - Mahler 3: Need Help with High Rez Recording Versions - Mel 20:21:23 07/10/17 (96)
- OK - so I just listened to the 6-minute DSD256 excerpt - Chris from Lafayette 11:26:47 07/12/17 (18)
- RE: OK - so I just listened to the 6-minute DSD256 excerpt - tailspn 10:50:23 07/18/17 (9)
- Thanks for the explanation, but it DOES sound self serving. . . - Chris from Lafayette 13:29:03 07/18/17 (8)
- RE: Thanks for the explanation, but it DOES sound self serving. . . - tailspn 13:59:48 07/18/17 (7)
- But your demo is predicated on starting with two DSD files, right? - Chris from Lafayette 17:27:28 07/18/17 (6)
- Yes of course! - tailspn 20:26:43 07/18/17 (5)
- Are you saying that 1-bit DSD and PCM sigma delta conversion are the same? - Chris from Lafayette 00:53:15 07/19/17 (4)
- RE: Are you saying that 1-bit DSD and PCM sigma delta conversion are the same? - tailspn 05:35:52 07/19/17 (3)
- Tom - I appreciate your indulgence in responding so thoughtfully to my posts - Chris from Lafayette 10:51:04 07/19/17 (2)
- RE: Tom - I appreciate your indulgence in responding so thoughtfully to my posts - tailspn 13:25:43 07/19/17 (1)
- Tom - once again, I appreciate all the time you've spent answering my posts - Chris from Lafayette 14:34:43 07/19/17 (0)
- RE: OK - so I just listened to the 6-minute DSD256 excerpt -- 1st para . . . - goldenthal 17:13:59 07/16/17 (1)
- Funny! And then there's always the take where the horn part is completely missing in action - Chris from Lafayette 00:38:55 07/17/17 (0)
- If you want 'em... - PAR 21:07:54 07/13/17 (1)
- Thanks for the link, but. . . - Chris from Lafayette 00:13:51 07/14/17 (0)
- RE: OK - so I just listened to the 6-minute DSD256 excerpt - Fitzcaraldo215 15:54:19 07/12/17 (3)
- LOL! - The SQ was great! I loved it! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:09:11 07/12/17 (2)
- RE: LOL! - The SQ was great! I loved it! [nt] ;-) - ahendler 14:19:55 07/13/17 (1)
- I agree with you about the presence, not so much about. . . - Chris from Lafayette 15:46:27 07/13/17 (0)
- RE: Mahler 3: Need Help with High Rez Recording Versions - Fitzcaraldo215 08:01:30 07/11/17 (7)
- Interesting - I bet there will be demand for the unedited file you have too! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:21:29 07/11/17 (6)
- RE: Interesting - I bet there will be demand for the unedited file you have too! [nt] ;-) - tailspn 18:54:53 07/11/17 (1)
- Tom - thanks for the elaboration! [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:54:54 07/12/17 (0)
- RE: Interesting - I bet there will be demand for the unedited file you have too! [nt] ;-) - Fitzcaraldo215 12:10:21 07/11/17 (1)
- Thanks, Fitz - I'm downloading it right now [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 18:09:27 07/11/17 (0)
- I bet there will be demand for the unedited file you have too! - Kal Rubinson 11:32:29 07/11/17 (1)
- Certainly [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 15:38:27 07/11/17 (0)
- Yes! - Ivan303 21:57:29 07/10/17 (68)
- RE: Yes! - Mel 05:05:47 07/11/17 (0)
- I agree with Ivan - I got the DXD multi-channel download myself - Chris from Lafayette 23:53:26 07/10/17 (66)
- Not necessarily so... - PAR 00:53:56 07/11/17 (65)
- But now the FINAL DSD64 file is derived from the DXD file because of the editing - Chris from Lafayette 10:16:27 07/11/17 (0)
- Your post raises a corollary question - Doktor Brahms 07:54:10 07/11/17 (1)
- RE: Your post raises a corollary question - PAR 09:14:56 07/11/17 (0)
- RE: Not necessarily so... - Ivan303 07:09:25 07/11/17 (61)
- Except I don't see any DXD release.. - PAR 08:06:05 07/11/17 (60)
- Try here: - Kal Rubinson 08:38:36 07/11/17 (59)
- Yep, guess there are two sites... - Ivan303 09:12:14 07/11/17 (58)
- RE: Yep, guess there are two sites... - PAR 09:25:05 07/11/17 (57)
- Chris bought the DXD multi channel so we know it's real... - Ivan303 10:10:58 07/11/17 (56)
- Will iTunes play discrete multichannel files? (NT) - Kal Rubinson 11:36:49 07/11/17 (16)
- No - but you could play them via Audirvana's "compatibility" mode. . . - Chris from Lafayette 15:56:14 07/11/17 (10)
- Yes, I've played multichannel in Audirvana................ - Kal Rubinson 16:42:41 07/11/17 (8)
- But did you do it in iTunes compatibility mode? - Chris from Lafayette 16:43:45 07/11/17 (7)
- Never use iTunes in any form. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 17:44:01 07/11/17 (5)
- Well, it's unfortunate. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:03:14 07/11/17 (4)
- Not really. - Kal Rubinson 18:15:06 07/11/17 (3)
- If it was a long time ago, it's likely not the same anymore [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 00:34:53 07/12/17 (2)
- Granted but................................ - Kal Rubinson 15:18:29 07/12/17 (1)
- I understand - no problem! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 17:10:14 07/12/17 (0)
- OK - I just tried it - Chris from Lafayette 17:20:44 07/11/17 (0)
- I have Audirvana but rarely use it... - Ivan303 16:10:04 07/11/17 (0)
- I can only afford two decent speakers... - Ivan303 15:30:12 07/11/17 (4)
- Face palm! - Kal Rubinson 15:52:17 07/11/17 (3)
- You and Chris are really odd folks.. - Ivan303 16:08:21 07/11/17 (2)
- You have to be careful - Chris from Lafayette 17:57:42 07/11/17 (1)
- So does my RtoR ladder DAC... - Ivan303 18:58:45 07/11/17 (0)
- 24/352.8 is what reads out on my DAC too! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 10:24:46 07/11/17 (38)
- My DAC will process a 24/352.8 file as well... - Ivan303 10:32:56 07/11/17 (37)
- Format Converters - Chris from Lafayette 11:14:25 07/11/17 (36)
- RE: Format Converters - ahendler 11:44:48 07/11/17 (35)
- Whoah! I never did that - the files I converted were 24/96 - Chris from Lafayette 15:48:08 07/11/17 (13)
- RE: Whoah! I never did that - the files I converted were 24/96 - ahendler 21:42:43 07/11/17 (12)
- Yes, and with this release hey will SELL you that DXD = 32/352.8k PCM 'Master'... - Ivan303 07:10:44 07/12/17 (0)
- Yes - that's the way it is on this new Mahler Third - Chris from Lafayette 00:52:30 07/12/17 (10)
- Well, I Wonder About That - Mel 07:13:19 07/12/17 (9)
- "I would have to conclude that 352.8KHz/24bit PCM (DXD) is the best they can now make available. " - Chris from Lafayette 09:07:40 07/12/17 (0)
- The main difference with Channel Classics and just about everyone else... - Ivan303 07:32:21 07/12/17 (7)
- RE: The main difference with Channel Classics and just about everyone else... - Mel 09:16:20 07/12/17 (6)
- RE: "and just how are we to figure it out"... - Ivan303 17:34:32 07/12/17 (0)
- RE: The main difference with Channel Classics and just about everyone else... - tailspn 13:09:37 07/12/17 (4)
- Wow! That would be great. nt - Mel 13:15:21 07/12/17 (3)
- RE: Wow! That would be great. - tailspn 15:46:23 07/13/17 (2)
- RE: Wow! That would be great. - tailspn 11:43:34 07/22/17 (0)
- Great News! - Mel 16:40:42 07/13/17 (0)
- It may be a FLAC or even a .wav file... - Ivan303 15:38:55 07/11/17 (9)
- "it doesn't necessarily have to be a .flac file, could just a easily be a .wav file" - Exactly - Chris from Lafayette 15:50:29 07/11/17 (8)
- RE: "Or, it could even be a 24/352.8 aiff file." - Ivan303 16:02:59 07/11/17 (7)
- RE: "Or, it could even be a 24/352.8 aiff file." - ahendler 21:49:00 07/11/17 (6)
- Agreed! This should be said more often. nt - Mel 11:51:28 07/12/17 (0)
- Differences or small to non-existant... - Ivan303 07:15:01 07/12/17 (0)
- "Do all these different formats really sound significantly different or are they small?" - Chris from Lafayette 00:46:23 07/12/17 (3)
- RE: "Do all these different formats really sound significantly different or are they small?" - ahendler 11:29:06 07/12/17 (2)
- I don't understand your post - Chris from Lafayette 12:08:07 07/12/17 (1)
- RE: I don't understand your post - ahendler 15:24:02 07/12/17 (0)
- Agreed. Just play it...................... - Kal Rubinson 13:23:37 07/11/17 (10)
- I convert FLAC to AIFF for playing using iTunes all the time.... - Ivan303 15:59:48 07/11/17 (9)
- I would never saddle myself with iTunes. (NT) - Kal Rubinson 16:40:49 07/11/17 (8)
- Of course you wouldn't.. - Ivan303 19:00:32 07/11/17 (7)
- Who are content with - E-Stat 17:15:28 07/12/17 (6)
- iTunes with a Bit Perfect plug-n... - Ivan303 17:47:42 07/12/17 (5)
- I'm with Kal -nt - E-Stat 18:13:01 07/12/17 (4)
- Sorry, you're three SoundLab Speakers short... - Ivan303 19:12:18 07/14/17 (3)
- But Tom's not. ;-) (NT) - Kal Rubinson 13:23:07 07/15/17 (0)
- I'm with... - E-Stat 09:59:59 07/15/17 (1)
- Attended RMAF most if not all of the years Ray had those up and running.... - Ivan303 19:55:06 07/15/17 (0)