In Reply to: Vinyl compression posted by Christine Tham on January 2, 2007 at 15:14:18:
The most straightforward example of relationship between dynamics and how the grooves look is any Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture, but any dynamically wide-ranging LP will do. (Pop, Rock, or elevator music will not do, but classical chamber music should also work for my example).As I'm writing this I have before me Telarc's 1812 Overture on vinyl. By looking at the grooves (with the naked eye) you can see where the canons hit. With even a magnifying glass of even weak strength can see where the canons hit to the nano second, and you will say to yourself, wow! It is no wonder that tone arms have difficulty staying in the grooves at that point. The grooves have shear rises and drops. The grooves are very wide, almost like the unused space between the end of the music and the label.
I also have before me Ormandy's 1812 on RCA Red Seal. This version is very much compressed compared to the Telarc. So, the grooves, compared to the Telarc, are close together. Nevertheless, the loud passages are, too, very visible compared to the quieter passages on the same disc.This is why you can fit so much more chamber music on an LP than you can music with wide dynamics.
(Also, with an LP with both quiet and loud passages if you hold it up to the light the more uniform quiet passages will look dark black, while the more uneven louder passages will look "gray/black")
Interestingly, Jared Sacks of Channel Classics (see threads below) explanation on why the entire Mahler 2nd could not fit on a single disc, cited the wide-ranging dynamics of the piece which would not allow for it all to fit. That was brand new to me. I did not realize that digital had those types of "analog" limitations.
Robert C. Lang
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Follow Ups
- It's in the grooves - Robert C. Lang 16:01:56 01/02/07 (18)
- Re: It's in the grooves - Christine Tham 17:28:52 01/02/07 (17)
- Re: It's in the grooves - Robert C. Lang 20:07:19 01/02/07 (12)
- Re: It's in the grooves - Christine Tham 22:18:21 01/02/07 (11)
- Mastering with vari-pitch - Michael Bishop 08:38:34 01/25/07 (3)
- A question if I could - Ted Smith 11:17:28 01/25/07 (2)
- Small correction - Ted Smith 10:34:56 01/03/07 (6)
- Re: Small correction - graemme 17:52:24 01/15/07 (0)
- Thanks - I did remember previous discussions (which you have linked to below) - Christine Tham 16:20:29 01/03/07 (2)
- You are contradicting yourself here Christine. - Ozzie 09:55:02 01/08/07 (1)
- It's a common recording technique, popularised in the 80s - Christine Tham 18:32:50 01/08/07 (0)
- Small correction: 'soft clip' is at -6dB not +6dB (nt) - Frank.. 12:41:33 01/03/07 (1)
- The DSD definition of 0dBFS is -6dB from the max representable... - Ted Smith 13:14:54 01/03/07 (0)
- Ugh, ugh.... - Penguin 18:12:06 01/02/07 (3)
- Actually it's a lot more confusing than that ... - Christine Tham 18:26:49 01/02/07 (2)
- I just want to make sure we do not mix up the two types of compressions... - Penguin 20:41:56 01/02/07 (1)
- Well, I don't think anyone was "mixing it up" but thanks for the concern (nt) - Christine Tham 22:21:23 01/02/07 (0)