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In Reply to: My first SACD in over a year: the Channel Fischer Mahler 2nd. posted by jdaniel on January 1, 2007 at 18:11:58:
Thank you for your comments. I found them interesting, enlightening and refreshing (no mention of the pause:).But seriously a couple of things, I agree, to a point, about the "hyper realistic" presentation of the explosive climaxes. I don't believe this is a SACD issue. I recall thinking (and in this forum) writing much about the same thing regarding recordings, especially Telarc vinyl recordings (and later CD) from the 70s as well CDs in general. Secondly, I don't ever recall any vinyl recordings, (including my direct-to-disc), that match with respect to dynamics, what has been demonstrated with some of the ladder day SACD recordings, with all due respect given your well stated comments. Thirdly, the SACD recordings (and may be their Red Book layers) such as the Fischer Mahler 2nd comes as close as I remember (admittedly faulty) to what I heard live in concerts featuring, Saint Saens "Organ Symphony", Prokofiev 5th and Mahler's 6th. A *very* expensive rig (and perhaps many that are not so expensive but damn good) such as the Rockport I auditioned *can* do wonders, but at the expense of "soft clipping" the dynamics. But this can sound far better and more realistic than a digital climax done incorrectly or over done.
You pondered:
***Will there ever be a format and delivery system that surpasses good vinyl?**
My multi-channel system, at least in the areas that you were critical of SACD above, *readily* and *easily* surpasses good vinyl.
Robert C. Lang
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Follow Ups
- No mention of the pause!!! - Robert C. Lang 23:06:07 01/01/07 (50)
- A possible reason - Dave Billinge 02:26:01 01/02/07 (2)
- Re: A possible reason - Robert C. Lang 14:48:22 01/02/07 (0)
- Re: A possible reason - jdaniel 09:25:41 01/02/07 (0)
- Re: No mention of the pause!!! - jdaniel 23:55:01 01/01/07 (46)
- Digital vs. Vinyl climaxes - Robert C. Lang 14:02:26 01/02/07 (45)
- You're RIGHT ON, Robert! - Michael Bishop 08:14:30 01/06/07 (21)
- I'm sorry, I didn't mean to silence everyone. I understand that in the position Mr. Bishop is in, he can't be honest. - jdaniel 18:49:51 01/08/07 (16)
- My opinions - and preferences - are my own - Michael Bishop 13:56:25 01/25/07 (1)
- Re: My opinions - and preferences - are my own - jdaniel 19:05:09 01/25/07 (0)
- I can be honest!!!! - Pacman 17:18:46 01/09/07 (3)
- Thank you for your thoughtful, post, but I thought I did register. (nt) - jdaniel 17:43:19 01/09/07 (2)
- Re: Thank you for your thoughtful, post, but I thought I did register. (nt) - Robert C. Lang 19:14:46 01/09/07 (1)
- Correct; nt - Pacman 20:35:54 01/09/07 (0)
- Don't let your devotion to vinyl blind you - Robert C. Lang 14:20:38 01/09/07 (3)
- If I were blinded I wouldn't have dusted off the old SACD player. - jdaniel 17:56:07 01/09/07 (2)
- It's the strength not the length - Robert C. Lang 19:11:25 01/09/07 (0)
- Re: If I were blinded I wouldn't have dusted off the old SACD player. - Ted Smith 18:05:15 01/09/07 (0)
- Huh? I believe he's being honest and I wouldn't be proud of your impertinence if I were you... - Ted Smith 21:02:32 01/08/07 (5)
- Disagreement is not impertinence. He is not god. - jdaniel 21:29:50 01/08/07 (4)
- You are welcome to your opinion, but you are acting like a jerk [nt] - Ted Smith 21:50:09 01/08/07 (3)
- You're being silly and sensitive. Anyone in the classical music industry who has to open up a - jdaniel 08:23:28 01/09/07 (2)
- Live Music - Michael Bishop 18:15:41 01/25/07 (0)
- I listen to plenty of live sound - Ted Smith 10:22:30 01/09/07 (0)
- While you're around - jdaniel 12:15:22 01/08/07 (0)
- OK, fair enough but I'll bet my Petroushka that you have a turntable hiding in the basement. (nt) - jdaniel 11:26:02 01/08/07 (2)
- turntable hiding in the basement - Michael Bishop 11:37:48 01/29/07 (1)
- Re: turntable hiding in the basement - jdaniel 15:55:50 01/29/07 (0)
- Vinyl compression - Christine Tham 15:14:18 01/02/07 (22)
- Re: Vinyl compression - Robert C. Lang 10:22:15 01/03/07 (2)
- Re: Vinyl compression - Christine Tham 16:09:30 01/03/07 (1)
- Re: Vinyl compression - Michael Bishop 14:18:19 01/25/07 (0)
- It's in the grooves - Robert C. Lang 16:01:56 01/02/07 (18)
- Re: It's in the grooves - Christine Tham 17:28:52 01/02/07 (17)
- Re: It's in the grooves - Robert C. Lang 20:07:19 01/02/07 (12)
- Re: It's in the grooves - Christine Tham 22:18:21 01/02/07 (11)
- Mastering with vari-pitch - Michael Bishop 08:38:34 01/25/07 (3)
- A question if I could - Ted Smith 11:17:28 01/25/07 (2)
- Small correction - Ted Smith 10:34:56 01/03/07 (6)
- Re: Small correction - graemme 17:52:24 01/15/07 (0)
- Thanks - I did remember previous discussions (which you have linked to below) - Christine Tham 16:20:29 01/03/07 (2)
- You are contradicting yourself here Christine. - Ozzie 09:55:02 01/08/07 (1)
- It's a common recording technique, popularised in the 80s - Christine Tham 18:32:50 01/08/07 (0)
- Small correction: 'soft clip' is at -6dB not +6dB (nt) - Frank.. 12:41:33 01/03/07 (1)
- The DSD definition of 0dBFS is -6dB from the max representable... - Ted Smith 13:14:54 01/03/07 (0)
- Ugh, ugh.... - Penguin 18:12:06 01/02/07 (3)
- Actually it's a lot more confusing than that ... - Christine Tham 18:26:49 01/02/07 (2)
- I just want to make sure we do not mix up the two types of compressions... - Penguin 20:41:56 01/02/07 (1)
- Well, I don't think anyone was "mixing it up" but thanks for the concern (nt) - Christine Tham 22:21:23 01/02/07 (0)
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