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Topic - Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 06:23:44 10/29/17 (241)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Todd Krieger 22:40:38 10/30/17 (3)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 22:51:48 10/30/17 (2)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - BRab 05:57:05 10/31/17 (1)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 10:05:48 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 15:10:25 10/30/17 (87)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - ornery 21:11:54 10/30/17 (60)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 22:38:53 10/30/17 (58)

RE: cost ratio of class A vs Class D over time - ornery 20:45:30 10/31/17 (42)

One big difference - Charles Hansen 21:06:05 10/31/17 (41)

I basically agree with what Mel said. But I'd be interested in seeing..... - Rick W 12:36:05 11/01/17 (0)

RE: One big difference - ornery 09:41:38 11/01/17 (0)

You got that almost right - sideliner 09:24:43 11/01/17 (1)

RE: You got that almost right - stehno 21:43:12 11/01/17 (0)

RE: One big difference - Mel 09:23:18 11/01/17 (0)

Americans have been trained to seek out the lowest cost... - Steve O 09:00:32 11/01/17 (9)

RE: Americans have been trained to seek out the lowest cost... - standingstones 12:09:37 11/02/17 (1)

Great post! +1 (nt) - Charles Hansen 19:41:28 11/02/17 (0)

Should I be - E-Stat 12:25:16 11/01/17 (4)

Absolutely!... - Steve O 13:26:38 11/01/17 (3)

Who is better? - E-Stat 06:07:52 11/02/17 (1)

Check the packaging and label for the info important to YOU and choose accordingly... - Steve O 07:16:31 11/02/17 (0)

RE: Absolutely!... - Charles Hansen 14:28:09 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Americans have been trained to seek out the lowest cost... - A.Wayne 11:51:55 11/01/17 (1)

Actually, neither... - Steve O 13:37:14 11/01/17 (0)

RE: One big difference - Dale Clark 04:51:47 11/01/17 (0)

RE: One big difference - Peter Qvortrup 03:02:46 11/01/17 (24)

RE: One big difference - sideliner 10:39:05 11/01/17 (23)

RE: One big difference - Inmate51 11:13:48 11/01/17 (22)

RE: One big difference - mkuller 20:36:55 11/01/17 (1)

RE: One big difference - stehno 21:53:15 11/01/17 (0)

RE: One big difference - sideliner 16:06:47 11/01/17 (8)

RE: One big difference - A.Wayne 16:11:11 11/01/17 (7)

RE: One big difference - sideliner 16:51:27 11/01/17 (0)

RE: One big difference - Charles Hansen 16:44:37 11/01/17 (5)

RE: One big difference - A.Wayne 17:22:03 11/01/17 (4)

RE: One big difference - Charles Hansen 19:41:55 11/01/17 (3)

RE: One big difference - A.Wayne 20:35:40 11/01/17 (2)

RE: One big difference - Charles Hansen 20:57:28 11/01/17 (1)

RE: One big difference - Inmate51 00:31:37 11/02/17 (0)

Suffice it to say, you should see Michael Moore's film Where To Invade Next. nt - Rick W 14:32:31 11/01/17 (1)

Excellent movie. +1 (nt) - Charles Hansen 14:48:45 11/01/17 (0)

Good grief, I agree with you. - Dave Pogue 13:28:51 11/01/17 (8)

RE: Good grief, I agree with you. - Wojciech 14:03:38 11/01/17 (7)

RE: Good grief, I agree with you. - A.Wayne 15:58:10 11/01/17 (3)

RE: Good grief, I agree with you. - Wojciech 17:36:57 11/01/17 (0)

Number? Dunno, but I do know that something's wrong with this..... - Rick W 16:40:41 11/01/17 (1)

RE: Number? Dunno, but I do know that something's wrong with this..... - Charles Hansen 16:52:14 11/01/17 (0)

Well, as a former CEO ... - Dave Pogue 14:14:15 11/01/17 (2)

RE: Well, as a former CEO ... - Wojciech 17:54:59 11/01/17 (1)

RE: Well, as a former CEO ... - Dave Pogue 06:40:27 11/02/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - A.Wayne 14:22:46 10/31/17 (14)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 19:32:12 10/31/17 (13)

Perhaps you are thinking of - E-Stat 09:35:27 11/01/17 (2)

That is a breand-new one on me! - Charles Hansen 15:02:08 11/01/17 (1)

RE: That is a breand-new one on me! - kentaja 19:32:37 11/06/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - kentaja 04:59:33 11/01/17 (9)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 14:57:29 11/01/17 (8)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - kentaja 07:53:15 11/06/17 (1)

RE: Nadir -- Original Quads . . . - goldenthal 01:24:39 11/14/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - regmac 19:13:14 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - A.Wayne 16:01:42 11/01/17 (4)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 17:24:22 11/01/17 (3)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - goldenthal 01:38:33 11/14/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - A.Wayne 19:18:14 11/01/17 (1)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 20:46:03 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - stehno 21:41:13 10/30/17 (0)

Please don't get sidetracked - Charles Hansen 18:25:03 10/30/17 (24)

To be fair to Juanita you may have overlooked one possiblity ... - stehno 18:54:24 10/30/17 (21)

Here is why I have overlooked that possibility - Charles Hansen 19:37:00 10/30/17 (20)

Absolutely... - stehno 20:07:08 10/30/17 (19)

Ditto - E-Stat 14:48:09 10/31/17 (13)

RE: Ditto - A.Wayne 14:53:45 10/31/17 (12)

Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - E-Stat 16:07:22 10/31/17 (11)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Charles Hansen 20:28:48 10/31/17 (7)

One more factor - E-Stat 07:14:56 11/01/17 (1)

Great point. (nt) - Charles Hansen 15:12:36 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - John Atkinson 04:48:43 11/01/17 (4)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Charles Hansen 15:10:24 11/01/17 (3)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - John Atkinson 15:30:29 11/01/17 (2)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Charles Hansen 16:16:43 11/01/17 (1)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - John Atkinson 04:24:58 11/02/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Ivan303 17:46:05 10/31/17 (2)

Already have my Ghent Audio cable :) - E-Stat 05:50:44 11/01/17 (1)

You will note that I have not posted a picture of the DIY Quad Star cable... - Ivan303 08:40:34 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Absolutely... - Charles Hansen 20:34:27 10/30/17 (4)

Same with TV... - mkuller 15:17:23 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Absolutely... Why i still use a CD player - A.Wayne 11:14:53 10/31/17 (1)

+1...(nt) - mkuller 15:19:16 10/31/17 (0)

There's an old adage, Something left to itself will always get worse - never better. - stehno 20:59:17 10/30/17 (0)

You forgot one other possibility, Charles... - Ivan303 18:44:51 10/30/17 (1)

Thanks, I did overlook that one! (n/t) - Charles Hansen 18:51:46 10/30/17 (0)

Sorry, but what you said about Jim writing positively about MQA is just not possible... - stehno 17:51:52 10/30/17 (0)

Nit picking is a cheap substitute for solid reasoning... - pffft? 18:30:41 10/29/17 (33)

RE: Nit picking is a cheap substitute for solid reasoning... - ornery 19:51:40 10/29/17 (32)

Agreed... - mkuller 21:14:22 10/29/17 (0)

Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - stehno 20:53:59 10/29/17 (30)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - jamesgarvin 09:02:51 10/30/17 (22)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - used-hifi 12:28:07 10/30/17 (20)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 15:38:10 10/30/17 (19)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - used-hifi 18:14:05 10/30/17 (18)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 10:27:55 10/31/17 (17)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 16:26:52 11/02/17 (8)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - Charles Hansen 20:04:46 11/02/17 (7)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 04:25:02 11/03/17 (0)

I don't think Atkinson gets it.... - stehno 23:12:11 11/02/17 (5)

RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - used-hifi 09:34:04 11/03/17 (4)

RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - dbphd 11:39:23 11/03/17 (3)

RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - Charles Hansen 21:16:55 11/03/17 (2)

RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - dbphd 09:59:49 11/04/17 (1)

Nice post - Charles Hansen 19:54:09 11/04/17 (0)

Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - stehno 19:50:34 10/31/17 (6)

RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - Charles Hansen 21:15:22 10/31/17 (5)

Musicians and Hi-fi - Inmate51 10:13:33 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - A.Wayne 05:31:09 11/01/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - John Atkinson 04:28:13 11/01/17 (1)

So this is Stereophile's idea of helping others develop listening skills? WOW!!!! - stehno 12:50:27 11/04/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - ahendler 21:49:38 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - stereo5 11:22:48 10/31/17 (0)

Oops, add one more to the list. nt - stehno 09:39:26 10/30/17 (0)

The power of the audio magazines may have been true 20 years ago.. - pffft? 21:14:50 10/29/17 (6)

RE: The power of the audio magazines may have been true 20 years ago.. - Charles Hansen 00:20:09 10/30/17 (5)

RE: The power of the audio magazines may have been true 20 years ago.. - stereo5 08:00:07 10/30/17 (4)

No disrespect intended, just a question. - Rick W 10:17:54 10/30/17 (2)

RE: No disrespect intended, just a question. - stereo5 11:53:57 10/30/17 (1)

Ok, thanks. nt - Rick W 12:59:35 10/30/17 (0)

In fairness to Mr. Hansen... - Ivan303 08:41:32 10/30/17 (0)

This is all Trump's fault! nt - Pjay 17:41:34 10/29/17 (2)

Fake drama - 4everyoung 18:38:51 10/29/17 (1)

I'd be inclined to guess he no longer cares... - Steve O 21:27:45 10/29/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - stereo5 16:18:09 10/29/17 (55)

Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - stehno 19:46:27 10/29/17 (52)

RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - RGA 21:57:30 10/31/17 (0)

You can have integrity without being a rude bully (nt) - 4everyoung 06:45:32 10/31/17 (2)

Just so (nt) - DAP 09:41:14 10/31/17 (0)

You sure can. - Dave Pogue 07:32:00 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - jamesgarvin 09:42:36 10/30/17 (44)

RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - ahendler 22:15:26 10/30/17 (0)

RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - stereo5 12:02:52 10/30/17 (27)

RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - Charles Hansen 12:24:46 10/30/17 (23)

I think you are angry about something you have no control over. CHILL! - pffft? 15:06:13 10/30/17 (18)

Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 19:19:40 10/30/17 (17)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Dale Clark 19:28:33 10/30/17 (16)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 19:42:23 10/30/17 (15)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - ahendler 22:22:01 10/30/17 (14)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - dbphd 23:29:10 10/30/17 (12)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 00:40:40 10/31/17 (11)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - stereo5 11:26:23 10/31/17 (1)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 21:16:11 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - kentaja 06:37:01 10/31/17 (6)

Thanks for the correction - Charles Hansen 10:23:34 10/31/17 (4)

RE: Thanks for the correction - kentaja 10:43:14 10/31/17 (3)

RE: Thanks for the correction - Charles Hansen 11:07:53 10/31/17 (2)

Sauce for the Grouse . . . - goldenthal 02:19:37 11/14/17 (0)

RE: Thanks for the correction - kentaja 11:17:50 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - kentaja 09:58:37 10/31/17 (0)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Dale Clark 03:34:24 10/31/17 (1)

RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 10:52:05 10/31/17 (0)

Huh? - Charles Hansen 22:44:37 10/30/17 (0)

If only we could follow the money... - stehno 13:39:31 10/30/17 (3)

RE: If only we could follow the money... - ahendler 22:25:04 10/30/17 (1)

RE: If only we could follow the money... - Charles Hansen 22:53:34 10/30/17 (0)

Careful you two, as much as I appreciate your efforts, you guys are skating close to the edge. Both... - regmac 14:09:34 10/30/17 (0)

Do you think it's possible.... - stehno 12:13:22 10/30/17 (2)

RE: Do you think it's possible.... - ahendler 22:26:37 10/30/17 (1)

RE: Do you think it's possible.... - Charles Hansen 22:55:21 10/30/17 (0)

What's interesting to me is that most here who criticize Charles' posts..... - Rick W 10:57:03 10/30/17 (14)

On the other hand... - jamesgarvin 07:22:38 11/02/17 (12)

LOL. Perfect example of what I'm talking about. - Rick W 10:00:35 11/02/17 (11)

RE: LOL. Perfect example of what I'm talking about. - jamesgarvin 12:23:00 11/02/17 (10)

False assumptions lead to false conclusions - Charles Hansen 20:22:08 11/02/17 (5)

RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - jamesgarvin 19:25:34 11/04/17 (4)

RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - Charles Hansen 20:43:58 11/04/17 (3)

RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - jamesgarvin 07:38:39 11/07/17 (2)

RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - Charles Hansen 02:47:59 11/08/17 (1)

RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - stehno 12:41:57 11/25/17 (0)

Did you miss JA's "recuse" post? - Rick W 15:09:17 11/02/17 (3)

Well, here is a start... - jamesgarvin 19:44:18 11/04/17 (2)

RE: Well, here is a start... - Charles Hansen 00:34:58 11/05/17 (1)

RE: Well, here is a start... - jamesgarvin 07:53:08 11/07/17 (0)

RE: What's interesting to me is that most here who criticize Charles' posts..... - ahendler 22:29:52 10/30/17 (0)

+1... - Ivan303 20:24:59 10/29/17 (1)

Well, you'll never get me to admit to that one. :) nt - stehno 20:56:09 10/29/17 (0)

Should you encounter some fellow on a bridge contemplating life and his continuing participation in it ... - bjh 20:15:32 10/29/17 (0)

OTOH, I'm all over AudioGon like a politician's bad toupee... - Ivan303 18:27:54 10/29/17 (1)

RE: OTOH, I'm all over AudioGon like a politician's bad toupee... - stereo5 19:18:59 10/29/17 (0)

The opening was unnecessarily sensational - Metralla 09:20:06 10/29/17 (4)

I have to agree the general 'crap' writers are inserting in a review is getting to be 'too much'. nt - pffft? 18:27:17 10/29/17 (0)

RE: The opening was unnecessarily sensational - regmac 14:15:57 10/29/17 (2)

LOL! - mkuller 15:22:02 10/31/17 (0)

Critics Corner has turned from a quiet backwater to a very active beach-break - Metralla 15:27:32 10/29/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - John Atkinson 07:17:38 10/29/17 (50)

Indeed-- - Des 17:45:49 10/30/17 (0)

Wow, such drama ... Yeah, folks sure would be surprised by negative review after 10,15, 20 ? positive ones!!! - bjh 15:16:49 10/29/17 (3)

RE: Wow, such drama ... Yeah, folks sure would be surprised by negative review after 10,15, 20 ? positive ones!!! - Charles Hansen 16:06:03 10/29/17 (2)

I just remember what happened, not the excuses. nt - bjh 17:40:19 10/29/17 (0)

Another CHBS.... - regmac 16:17:33 10/29/17 (0)

Don't recuse yourself... - mkuller 11:09:12 10/29/17 (1)

May I take that ... - Jim Austin 11:23:47 10/29/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir (Stupidly, Painfully Long) - Charles Hansen 10:56:36 10/29/17 (7)

One can easily load up on The Absolute Sound. for doing the SAME DAMN THINGS - pffft? 18:37:52 10/29/17 (1)

RE: One can easily load up on The Absolute Sound. for doing the SAME DAMN THINGS - Charles Hansen 22:44:59 10/29/17 (0)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir (Stupidly, Painfully Long) - John Atkinson 15:34:28 10/29/17 (2)

RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir (Stupidly, Painfully Long) - John Atkinson 16:18:12 10/29/17 (1)

Thanks very much! - Charles Hansen 22:42:10 10/29/17 (0)

RE: "Hansen defends Atkinson" - Ivan303 15:23:16 10/29/17 (0)

Money quote..... - regmac 14:37:50 10/29/17 (0)

BS in my opinion John - Charlie8521 10:33:43 10/29/17 (8)

RE: BS in my opinion John - John Atkinson 15:15:06 10/29/17 (7)

$10,000 Bet - Charlie8521 16:34:40 10/29/17 (3)

RE: $10,000 Bet - John Atkinson 16:47:23 10/29/17 (2)

Atkinson refused $10,000 Bet ... - Charlie8521 17:12:59 10/29/17 (1)

Orderly! Orderly!! nt - bjh 20:37:53 10/29/17 (0)

Where is Arthur Salvatore when you need him? - faskenite 15:29:09 10/29/17 (2)

Just read his remarks on John Atkinson - Charlie8521 08:46:11 10/30/17 (1)

RE: Just read his remarks on John Atkinson - stehno 14:12:05 10/30/17 (0)

Wow, what a crock. - Rick W 08:20:12 10/29/17 (13)

RE: Wow, what a crock. - John Atkinson 08:31:23 10/29/17 (12)

Fine, then why'd you post that? - Rick W 08:39:20 10/29/17 (11)

In fairness to Mr. Atkinson... - Ivan303 09:08:09 10/29/17 (10)

But wasn't the world also watching while JA experienced a birth of a new world via MQA? - stehno 11:13:36 10/29/17 (9)

RE: But wasn't the world also watching while JA experienced a birth of a new world via MQA? - John Atkinson 15:56:00 10/29/17 (7)

Huh? - Charles Hansen 22:09:48 10/29/17 (6)

RE: Huh? - SoundMann 09:22:11 11/24/17 (4)

RE: Huh? - Archimago 08:55:20 11/26/17 (3)

RE: Huh? - SoundMann 16:14:31 11/26/17 (2)

RE: Huh? - BubbaMike 18:04:05 11/26/17 (1)

RE: Huh? - SoundMann 06:14:34 11/27/17 (0)

You mean 4 times, don't you Charles? - stehno 13:48:00 10/30/17 (0)

Yep, and that 'world' has been pretty much blowing up in his face... - Ivan303 11:31:19 10/29/17 (0)

I don't think that you should recuse yourself at all.... - viridian 08:04:00 10/29/17 (11)

RE: I don't think that you should recuse yourself at all.... - Ivan303 08:21:01 10/29/17 (10)

Great points. I do believe that designers become emotionally invested.... - viridian 09:09:42 10/29/17 (9)

RE: Great points. I do believe that designers become emotionally invested.... - stehno 11:50:36 10/29/17 (5)

RE: Great points. I do believe that designers become emotionally invested.... - SoundMann 09:14:37 11/24/17 (0)

I appreciate your well-reasoned perspective. We will agree to disagree. Nt - viridian 14:13:11 10/29/17 (3)

RE: I appreciate your well-reasoned perspective. We will agree to disagree. Nt - Charles Hansen 21:55:19 10/29/17 (2)

I've not read the book you referenced, nor does MQA need the high-end community... - stehno 10:35:07 10/30/17 (0)

I have not read it, but thank you for the link. It looks quite interesting. Nt - viridian 10:00:48 10/30/17 (0)

Wrong - Charles Hansen 11:26:40 10/29/17 (2)

I think I understand why you're willing to die on the anti-MQA hill - Beetlemania 18:45:37 10/29/17 (1)

Maybe it's because he feels JA should have known better... - Ivan303 18:58:13 10/29/17 (0)

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