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In Reply to: Just read his remarks on John Atkinson posted by Charlie8521 on October 30, 2017 at 08:46:11:
Thanks for sharing that. Last time I read or glanced it over was a couple of years ago.
I think it would be good for others to read to see how things have or have not changed over the years.
Salvatore is to be commended for his performing due diligence on these matters.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 06:23:44 10/29/17 (241)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Todd Krieger 22:40:38 10/30/17 (3)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 22:51:48 10/30/17 (2)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - BRab 05:57:05 10/31/17 (1)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 10:05:48 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 15:10:25 10/30/17 (87)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - ornery 21:11:54 10/30/17 (60)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 22:38:53 10/30/17 (58)
- RE: cost ratio of class A vs Class D over time - ornery 20:45:30 10/31/17 (42)
- One big difference - Charles Hansen 21:06:05 10/31/17 (41)
- I basically agree with what Mel said. But I'd be interested in seeing..... - Rick W 12:36:05 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: One big difference - ornery 09:41:38 11/01/17 (0)
- You got that almost right - sideliner 09:24:43 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: You got that almost right - stehno 21:43:12 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: One big difference - Mel 09:23:18 11/01/17 (0)
- Americans have been trained to seek out the lowest cost... - Steve O 09:00:32 11/01/17 (9)
- RE: Americans have been trained to seek out the lowest cost... - standingstones 12:09:37 11/02/17 (1)
- Great post! +1 (nt) - Charles Hansen 19:41:28 11/02/17 (0)
- Should I be - E-Stat 12:25:16 11/01/17 (4)
- Absolutely!... - Steve O 13:26:38 11/01/17 (3)
- Who is better? - E-Stat 06:07:52 11/02/17 (1)
- Check the packaging and label for the info important to YOU and choose accordingly... - Steve O 07:16:31 11/02/17 (0)
- RE: Absolutely!... - Charles Hansen 14:28:09 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Americans have been trained to seek out the lowest cost... - A.Wayne 11:51:55 11/01/17 (1)
- Actually, neither... - Steve O 13:37:14 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: One big difference - Dale Clark 04:51:47 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: One big difference - Peter Qvortrup 03:02:46 11/01/17 (24)
- RE: One big difference - sideliner 10:39:05 11/01/17 (23)
- RE: One big difference - Inmate51 11:13:48 11/01/17 (22)
- RE: One big difference - mkuller 20:36:55 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: One big difference - stehno 21:53:15 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: One big difference - sideliner 16:06:47 11/01/17 (8)
- RE: One big difference - A.Wayne 16:11:11 11/01/17 (7)
- RE: One big difference - sideliner 16:51:27 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: One big difference - Charles Hansen 16:44:37 11/01/17 (5)
- RE: One big difference - A.Wayne 17:22:03 11/01/17 (4)
- RE: One big difference - Charles Hansen 19:41:55 11/01/17 (3)
- RE: One big difference - A.Wayne 20:35:40 11/01/17 (2)
- RE: One big difference - Charles Hansen 20:57:28 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: One big difference - Inmate51 00:31:37 11/02/17 (0)
- Suffice it to say, you should see Michael Moore's film Where To Invade Next. nt - Rick W 14:32:31 11/01/17 (1)
- Excellent movie. +1 (nt) - Charles Hansen 14:48:45 11/01/17 (0)
- Good grief, I agree with you. - Dave Pogue 13:28:51 11/01/17 (8)
- RE: Good grief, I agree with you. - Wojciech 14:03:38 11/01/17 (7)
- RE: Good grief, I agree with you. - A.Wayne 15:58:10 11/01/17 (3)
- RE: Good grief, I agree with you. - Wojciech 17:36:57 11/01/17 (0)
- Number? Dunno, but I do know that something's wrong with this..... - Rick W 16:40:41 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: Number? Dunno, but I do know that something's wrong with this..... - Charles Hansen 16:52:14 11/01/17 (0)
- Well, as a former CEO ... - Dave Pogue 14:14:15 11/01/17 (2)
- RE: Well, as a former CEO ... - Wojciech 17:54:59 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: Well, as a former CEO ... - Dave Pogue 06:40:27 11/02/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - A.Wayne 14:22:46 10/31/17 (14)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 19:32:12 10/31/17 (13)
- Perhaps you are thinking of - E-Stat 09:35:27 11/01/17 (2)
- That is a breand-new one on me! - Charles Hansen 15:02:08 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: That is a breand-new one on me! - kentaja 19:32:37 11/06/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - kentaja 04:59:33 11/01/17 (9)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 14:57:29 11/01/17 (8)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - kentaja 07:53:15 11/06/17 (1)
- RE: Nadir -- Original Quads . . . - goldenthal 01:24:39 11/14/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - regmac 19:13:14 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - A.Wayne 16:01:42 11/01/17 (4)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 17:24:22 11/01/17 (3)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - goldenthal 01:38:33 11/14/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - A.Wayne 19:18:14 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - Charles Hansen 20:46:03 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - stehno 21:41:13 10/30/17 (0)
- Please don't get sidetracked - Charles Hansen 18:25:03 10/30/17 (24)
- To be fair to Juanita you may have overlooked one possiblity ... - stehno 18:54:24 10/30/17 (21)
- Here is why I have overlooked that possibility - Charles Hansen 19:37:00 10/30/17 (20)
- Absolutely... - stehno 20:07:08 10/30/17 (19)
- Ditto - E-Stat 14:48:09 10/31/17 (13)
- RE: Ditto - A.Wayne 14:53:45 10/31/17 (12)
- Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - E-Stat 16:07:22 10/31/17 (11)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Charles Hansen 20:28:48 10/31/17 (7)
- One more factor - E-Stat 07:14:56 11/01/17 (1)
- Great point. (nt) - Charles Hansen 15:12:36 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - John Atkinson 04:48:43 11/01/17 (4)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Charles Hansen 15:10:24 11/01/17 (3)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - John Atkinson 15:30:29 11/01/17 (2)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Charles Hansen 16:16:43 11/01/17 (1)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - John Atkinson 04:24:58 11/02/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps I wasn't clear but... - Ivan303 17:46:05 10/31/17 (2)
- Already have my Ghent Audio cable :) - E-Stat 05:50:44 11/01/17 (1)
- You will note that I have not posted a picture of the DIY Quad Star cable... - Ivan303 08:40:34 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Absolutely... - Charles Hansen 20:34:27 10/30/17 (4)
- Same with TV... - mkuller 15:17:23 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Absolutely... Why i still use a CD player - A.Wayne 11:14:53 10/31/17 (1)
- +1...(nt) - mkuller 15:19:16 10/31/17 (0)
- There's an old adage, Something left to itself will always get worse - never better. - stehno 20:59:17 10/30/17 (0)
- You forgot one other possibility, Charles... - Ivan303 18:44:51 10/30/17 (1)
- Thanks, I did overlook that one! (n/t) - Charles Hansen 18:51:46 10/30/17 (0)
- Sorry, but what you said about Jim writing positively about MQA is just not possible... - stehno 17:51:52 10/30/17 (0)
- Nit picking is a cheap substitute for solid reasoning... - pffft? 18:30:41 10/29/17 (33)
- RE: Nit picking is a cheap substitute for solid reasoning... - ornery 19:51:40 10/29/17 (32)
- Agreed... - mkuller 21:14:22 10/29/17 (0)
- Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - stehno 20:53:59 10/29/17 (30)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - jamesgarvin 09:02:51 10/30/17 (22)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - used-hifi 12:28:07 10/30/17 (20)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 15:38:10 10/30/17 (19)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - used-hifi 18:14:05 10/30/17 (18)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 10:27:55 10/31/17 (17)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 16:26:52 11/02/17 (8)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - Charles Hansen 20:04:46 11/02/17 (7)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - John Atkinson 04:25:02 11/03/17 (0)
- I don't think Atkinson gets it.... - stehno 23:12:11 11/02/17 (5)
- RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - used-hifi 09:34:04 11/03/17 (4)
- RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - dbphd 11:39:23 11/03/17 (3)
- RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - Charles Hansen 21:16:55 11/03/17 (2)
- RE: I don't think Atkinson gets it....agreed - dbphd 09:59:49 11/04/17 (1)
- Nice post - Charles Hansen 19:54:09 11/04/17 (0)
- Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - stehno 19:50:34 10/31/17 (6)
- RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - Charles Hansen 21:15:22 10/31/17 (5)
- Musicians and Hi-fi - Inmate51 10:13:33 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - A.Wayne 05:31:09 11/01/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - John Atkinson 04:28:13 11/01/17 (1)
- So this is Stereophile's idea of helping others develop listening skills? WOW!!!! - stehno 12:50:27 11/04/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps you're not aware about a little known industry secret about musicians.... - ahendler 21:49:38 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Not surprising in the least. This is why it's so easy to dup... - stereo5 11:22:48 10/31/17 (0)
- Oops, add one more to the list. nt - stehno 09:39:26 10/30/17 (0)
- The power of the audio magazines may have been true 20 years ago.. - pffft? 21:14:50 10/29/17 (6)
- RE: The power of the audio magazines may have been true 20 years ago.. - Charles Hansen 00:20:09 10/30/17 (5)
- RE: The power of the audio magazines may have been true 20 years ago.. - stereo5 08:00:07 10/30/17 (4)
- No disrespect intended, just a question. - Rick W 10:17:54 10/30/17 (2)
- RE: No disrespect intended, just a question. - stereo5 11:53:57 10/30/17 (1)
- Ok, thanks. nt - Rick W 12:59:35 10/30/17 (0)
- In fairness to Mr. Hansen... - Ivan303 08:41:32 10/30/17 (0)
- This is all Trump's fault! nt - Pjay 17:41:34 10/29/17 (2)
- Fake drama - 4everyoung 18:38:51 10/29/17 (1)
- I'd be inclined to guess he no longer cares... - Steve O 21:27:45 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - stereo5 16:18:09 10/29/17 (55)
- Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - stehno 19:46:27 10/29/17 (52)
- RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - RGA 21:57:30 10/31/17 (0)
- You can have integrity without being a rude bully (nt) - 4everyoung 06:45:32 10/31/17 (2)
- Just so (nt) - DAP 09:41:14 10/31/17 (0)
- You sure can. - Dave Pogue 07:32:00 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - jamesgarvin 09:42:36 10/30/17 (44)
- RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - ahendler 22:15:26 10/30/17 (0)
- RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - stereo5 12:02:52 10/30/17 (27)
- RE: Funny I think I see just the opposite of you.... - Charles Hansen 12:24:46 10/30/17 (23)
- I think you are angry about something you have no control over. CHILL! - pffft? 15:06:13 10/30/17 (18)
- Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 19:19:40 10/30/17 (17)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Dale Clark 19:28:33 10/30/17 (16)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 19:42:23 10/30/17 (15)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - ahendler 22:22:01 10/30/17 (14)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - dbphd 23:29:10 10/30/17 (12)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 00:40:40 10/31/17 (11)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - stereo5 11:26:23 10/31/17 (1)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 21:16:11 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - kentaja 06:37:01 10/31/17 (6)
- Thanks for the correction - Charles Hansen 10:23:34 10/31/17 (4)
- RE: Thanks for the correction - kentaja 10:43:14 10/31/17 (3)
- RE: Thanks for the correction - Charles Hansen 11:07:53 10/31/17 (2)
- Sauce for the Grouse . . . - goldenthal 02:19:37 11/14/17 (0)
- RE: Thanks for the correction - kentaja 11:17:50 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - kentaja 09:58:37 10/31/17 (0)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Dale Clark 03:34:24 10/31/17 (1)
- RE: Perhaps right, definitely partially wrong. - Charles Hansen 10:52:05 10/31/17 (0)
- Huh? - Charles Hansen 22:44:37 10/30/17 (0)
- If only we could follow the money... - stehno 13:39:31 10/30/17 (3)
- RE: If only we could follow the money... - ahendler 22:25:04 10/30/17 (1)
- RE: If only we could follow the money... - Charles Hansen 22:53:34 10/30/17 (0)
- Careful you two, as much as I appreciate your efforts, you guys are skating close to the edge. Both... - regmac 14:09:34 10/30/17 (0)
- Do you think it's possible.... - stehno 12:13:22 10/30/17 (2)
- RE: Do you think it's possible.... - ahendler 22:26:37 10/30/17 (1)
- RE: Do you think it's possible.... - Charles Hansen 22:55:21 10/30/17 (0)
- What's interesting to me is that most here who criticize Charles' posts..... - Rick W 10:57:03 10/30/17 (14)
- On the other hand... - jamesgarvin 07:22:38 11/02/17 (12)
- LOL. Perfect example of what I'm talking about. - Rick W 10:00:35 11/02/17 (11)
- RE: LOL. Perfect example of what I'm talking about. - jamesgarvin 12:23:00 11/02/17 (10)
- False assumptions lead to false conclusions - Charles Hansen 20:22:08 11/02/17 (5)
- RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - jamesgarvin 19:25:34 11/04/17 (4)
- RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - Charles Hansen 20:43:58 11/04/17 (3)
- RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - jamesgarvin 07:38:39 11/07/17 (2)
- RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - Charles Hansen 02:47:59 11/08/17 (1)
- RE: False assumptions lead to false conclusions - stehno 12:41:57 11/25/17 (0)
- Did you miss JA's "recuse" post? - Rick W 15:09:17 11/02/17 (3)
- Well, here is a start... - jamesgarvin 19:44:18 11/04/17 (2)
- RE: Well, here is a start... - Charles Hansen 00:34:58 11/05/17 (1)
- RE: Well, here is a start... - jamesgarvin 07:53:08 11/07/17 (0)
- RE: What's interesting to me is that most here who criticize Charles' posts..... - ahendler 22:29:52 10/30/17 (0)
- +1... - Ivan303 20:24:59 10/29/17 (1)
- Well, you'll never get me to admit to that one. :) nt - stehno 20:56:09 10/29/17 (0)
- Should you encounter some fellow on a bridge contemplating life and his continuing participation in it ... - bjh 20:15:32 10/29/17 (0)
- OTOH, I'm all over AudioGon like a politician's bad toupee... - Ivan303 18:27:54 10/29/17 (1)
- RE: OTOH, I'm all over AudioGon like a politician's bad toupee... - stereo5 19:18:59 10/29/17 (0)
- The opening was unnecessarily sensational - Metralla 09:20:06 10/29/17 (4)
- I have to agree the general 'crap' writers are inserting in a review is getting to be 'too much'. nt - pffft? 18:27:17 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: The opening was unnecessarily sensational - regmac 14:15:57 10/29/17 (2)
- LOL! - mkuller 15:22:02 10/31/17 (0)
- Critics Corner has turned from a quiet backwater to a very active beach-break - Metralla 15:27:32 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir - John Atkinson 07:17:38 10/29/17 (50)
- Indeed-- - Des 17:45:49 10/30/17 (0)
- Wow, such drama ... Yeah, folks sure would be surprised by negative review after 10,15, 20 ? positive ones!!! - bjh 15:16:49 10/29/17 (3)
- RE: Wow, such drama ... Yeah, folks sure would be surprised by negative review after 10,15, 20 ? positive ones!!! - Charles Hansen 16:06:03 10/29/17 (2)
- I just remember what happened, not the excuses. nt - bjh 17:40:19 10/29/17 (0)
- Another CHBS.... - regmac 16:17:33 10/29/17 (0)
- Don't recuse yourself... - mkuller 11:09:12 10/29/17 (1)
- May I take that ... - Jim Austin 11:23:47 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir (Stupidly, Painfully Long) - Charles Hansen 10:56:36 10/29/17 (7)
- One can easily load up on The Absolute Sound. for doing the SAME DAMN THINGS - pffft? 18:37:52 10/29/17 (1)
- RE: One can easily load up on The Absolute Sound. for doing the SAME DAMN THINGS - Charles Hansen 22:44:59 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir (Stupidly, Painfully Long) - John Atkinson 15:34:28 10/29/17 (2)
- RE: Stereophile Reaches a New Nadir (Stupidly, Painfully Long) - John Atkinson 16:18:12 10/29/17 (1)
- Thanks very much! - Charles Hansen 22:42:10 10/29/17 (0)
- RE: "Hansen defends Atkinson" - Ivan303 15:23:16 10/29/17 (0)
- Money quote..... - regmac 14:37:50 10/29/17 (0)
- BS in my opinion John - Charlie8521 10:33:43 10/29/17 (8)
- RE: BS in my opinion John - John Atkinson 15:15:06 10/29/17 (7)
- $10,000 Bet - Charlie8521 16:34:40 10/29/17 (3)
- RE: $10,000 Bet - John Atkinson 16:47:23 10/29/17 (2)
- Atkinson refused $10,000 Bet ... - Charlie8521 17:12:59 10/29/17 (1)
- Orderly! Orderly!! nt - bjh 20:37:53 10/29/17 (0)
- Where is Arthur Salvatore when you need him? - faskenite 15:29:09 10/29/17 (2)
- Just read his remarks on John Atkinson - Charlie8521 08:46:11 10/30/17 (1)
- RE: Just read his remarks on John Atkinson - stehno 14:12:05 10/30/17 (0)
- Wow, what a crock. - Rick W 08:20:12 10/29/17 (13)
- RE: Wow, what a crock. - John Atkinson 08:31:23 10/29/17 (12)
- Fine, then why'd you post that? - Rick W 08:39:20 10/29/17 (11)
- In fairness to Mr. Atkinson... - Ivan303 09:08:09 10/29/17 (10)
- But wasn't the world also watching while JA experienced a birth of a new world via MQA? - stehno 11:13:36 10/29/17 (9)
- RE: But wasn't the world also watching while JA experienced a birth of a new world via MQA? - John Atkinson 15:56:00 10/29/17 (7)
- Huh? - Charles Hansen 22:09:48 10/29/17 (6)
- Yep, and that 'world' has been pretty much blowing up in his face... - Ivan303 11:31:19 10/29/17 (0)
- I don't think that you should recuse yourself at all.... - viridian 08:04:00 10/29/17 (11)
- RE: I don't think that you should recuse yourself at all.... - Ivan303 08:21:01 10/29/17 (10)
- Great points. I do believe that designers become emotionally invested.... - viridian 09:09:42 10/29/17 (9)
- RE: Great points. I do believe that designers become emotionally invested.... - stehno 11:50:36 10/29/17 (5)
- RE: Great points. I do believe that designers become emotionally invested.... - SoundMann 09:14:37 11/24/17 (0)
- I appreciate your well-reasoned perspective. We will agree to disagree. Nt - viridian 14:13:11 10/29/17 (3)
- RE: I appreciate your well-reasoned perspective. We will agree to disagree. Nt - Charles Hansen 21:55:19 10/29/17 (2)
- I've not read the book you referenced, nor does MQA need the high-end community... - stehno 10:35:07 10/30/17 (0)
- I have not read it, but thank you for the link. It looks quite interesting. Nt - viridian 10:00:48 10/30/17 (0)
- Wrong - Charles Hansen 11:26:40 10/29/17 (2)
- I think I understand why you're willing to die on the anti-MQA hill - Beetlemania 18:45:37 10/29/17 (1)
- Maybe it's because he feels JA should have known better... - Ivan303 18:58:13 10/29/17 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Just read his remarks on John Atkinson - stehno 14:12:05 10/30/17 (0)