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In Reply to: And yet... posted by E-Stat on November 29, 2016 at 11:01:43:
"I've also heard a range of student players play there. While the performance ability isn't symphony level quality - the sound experience itself is nevertheless that of live, unamplified music. Talent alone is not a critical factor in perceiving the aspects of the live sound experience one hears."
I definitely disagree with this. A string instrument played off pitch sounds bad. A poorly tuned piano sounds bad. This happens sometimes even with the most famous soloists. For all the hair splitting that goes into audio, if any piece of gear were to distort to the point of playing audibly off picth it would be considered broken.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Psychoacoustics? - Frihed89 16:05:56 11/25/16 (105)
- RE: Psychoacoustics? - Inmate51 20:28:44 12/29/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics? - tomservo 09:18:36 12/05/16 (1)
- Thanks for the video and links - E-Stat 08:13:27 12/06/16 (0)
- Well... Most Audiophiles ARE Psycho-acoustics. nt - Smelly_Socks 08:23:49 12/02/16 (0)
- Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - morricab 06:12:15 11/29/16 (10)
- Thanks - Frihed89 06:34:38 11/30/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - hahax@verizon.net 20:28:56 11/29/16 (8)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - tomservo 10:28:11 12/05/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - Frihed89 06:38:27 11/30/16 (6)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - hahax@verizon.net 09:30:32 11/30/16 (5)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - morricab 07:23:42 12/01/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - Frihed89 06:45:30 12/01/16 (3)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - morricab 07:26:34 12/01/16 (2)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - MannyE 03:42:15 12/02/16 (1)
- RE: Psychoacoustics is about correlating what we hear with what we measure - Analog Scott 07:44:13 12/02/16 (0)
- I thought you were talking about... - mkuller 21:02:25 11/27/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics? - fantja 06:30:20 11/26/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics?relatively few - fmak 22:59:02 11/25/16 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics? - hahax@verizon.net 20:26:16 11/25/16 (80)
- I understand what you are saying - Frihed89 04:18:11 11/26/16 (0)
- accurate reproduction? - Analog Scott 01:20:53 11/26/16 (78)
- RE: accurate reproduction? - hahax@verizon.net 20:45:36 11/26/16 (77)
- RE: accurate reproduction? - Inmate51 22:44:26 01/01/17 (0)
- RE: accurate reproduction? - hahax@verizon.net 18:50:10 11/27/16 (73)
- RE: "This isn't ice cream where everyone gets their favorite flavor." - 1973shovel 05:57:42 11/28/16 (0)
- Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - Analog Scott 19:16:14 11/27/16 (71)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - ahendler 19:55:05 11/27/16 (70)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - Analog Scott 20:21:08 11/27/16 (69)
- This... - kerr 11:10:20 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - hahax@verizon.net 21:21:31 11/27/16 (67)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - Analog Scott 21:40:24 11/27/16 (66)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - hahax@verizon.net 06:08:31 11/28/16 (65)
- "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 10:27:24 11/28/16 (64)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - ahendler 06:20:13 11/29/16 (1)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 06:32:09 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - hahax@verizon.net 10:38:17 11/28/16 (61)
- here is a thought experiment for you. Lets start by looking at accuracy in audio - Analog Scott 11:30:39 11/28/16 (3)
- Goosebump quotient. Thrill of hearing new, better things in a favorite recording... nt - Smelly_Socks 20:28:16 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: here is a thought experiment for you. Lets start by looking at accuracy in audio - hahax@verizon.net 12:28:09 11/28/16 (1)
- RE: here is a thought experiment for you. Lets start by looking at accuracy in audio - Analog Scott 13:05:26 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 11:22:41 11/28/16 (56)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - hahax@verizon.net 12:26:24 11/28/16 (2)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 13:01:15 11/28/16 (1)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - hahax@verizon.net 06:17:29 11/29/16 (0)
- Sure there is - E-Stat 12:25:52 11/28/16 (52)
- And hearing his systems convinced me that we could get close at times. - Analog Scott 13:11:04 11/28/16 (18)
- How? - E-Stat 13:29:25 11/28/16 (17)
- RE: How? - Analog Scott 14:24:50 11/28/16 (16)
- RE: How? - E-Stat 14:49:26 11/28/16 (15)
- Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 17:30:20 11/28/16 (14)
- RE: Three dimensional space - E-Stat 19:01:09 11/28/16 (13)
- RE: Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 19:20:59 11/28/16 (12)
- RE: Three dimensional space - morricab 07:29:51 12/01/16 (6)
- RE: Three dimensional space - A.Wayne 10:02:22 12/06/16 (2)
- EQing? - Analog Scott 13:40:23 12/06/16 (1)
- RE: EQing? - Inmate51 21:32:21 12/31/16 (0)
- RE: Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 08:00:28 12/01/16 (2)
- RE: Three dimensional space - morricab 12:47:29 12/01/16 (1)
- RE: Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 14:35:18 12/01/16 (0)
- RE: Three dimensional space - E-Stat 05:47:33 11/29/16 (4)
- I have quite a few recordings that work to the contrary. - Analog Scott 08:10:42 11/29/16 (3)
- RE: I have quite a few recordings that work to the contrary. - E-Stat 08:24:54 11/29/16 (2)
- RE: I have quite a few recordings that work to the contrary. - Analog Scott 14:34:20 11/29/16 (1)
- "I prefer less realistic more palpable imaging" - E-Stat 15:00:28 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: Sure there is - Analog Scott 12:58:07 11/28/16 (32)
- RE: Sure there is - E-Stat 13:23:49 11/28/16 (31)
- "Any facsimile of a live experience works for me." - Analog Scott 13:29:48 11/28/16 (30)
- Fortunately - E-Stat 13:35:12 11/28/16 (29)
- " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - Analog Scott 14:30:36 11/28/16 (28)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - ahendler 06:27:20 11/29/16 (6)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - Analog Scott 10:10:45 11/29/16 (5)
- And yet... - E-Stat 11:01:43 11/29/16 (1)
- RE: And yet... - Analog Scott 13:13:45 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - ahendler 10:35:41 11/29/16 (2)
- "I know crap when I hear it" - Analog Scott 13:17:43 11/29/16 (1)
- RE: "I know crap when I hear it" - ahendler 14:42:31 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - E-Stat 14:42:08 11/28/16 (20)
- RE: "That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - Analog Scott 17:20:44 11/28/16 (19)
- "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - E-Stat 19:04:25 11/28/16 (18)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - Analog Scott 08:38:18 12/01/16 (17)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - E-Stat 10:18:43 12/01/16 (16)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - Analog Scott 14:40:50 12/01/16 (15)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - E-Stat 15:24:45 12/01/16 (14)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - Analog Scott 16:10:57 12/01/16 (13)
- I'm going to end - E-Stat 16:21:16 12/01/16 (12)
- I figured as much - Analog Scott 16:36:22 12/01/16 (11)
- Once you turned - E-Stat 06:33:34 12/03/16 (10)
- Still dodging the questions. Nice try - Analog Scott 09:01:37 12/03/16 (9)
- I couldn't care less about your question - E-Stat 09:42:18 12/03/16 (8)
- Then why do you stay in the conversation? - Analog Scott 10:03:46 12/03/16 (7)
- Remind you - E-Stat 10:19:29 12/03/16 (6)
- Yet another post and no discussion about the subject. I admire your commitment to avoiding the subect - Analog Scott 10:34:05 12/03/16 (5)
- Subject was over long ago! - E-Stat 10:40:54 12/03/16 (4)
- and yet you keep posting and keep avoiding it at the same time - Analog Scott 10:52:01 12/03/16 (3)
- I enjoy humor! - E-Stat 11:06:30 12/03/16 (2)
- I enjoy humor too. - Analog Scott 11:34:26 12/03/16 (1)
- RE: I enjoy humor too. - E-Stat 12:03:23 12/03/16 (0)
- That is simply wrong - Analog Scott 23:45:58 11/26/16 (0)
- RE: accurate reproduction? - ahendler 22:55:43 11/26/16 (0)
- Psychoacoustics - Analog Scott 17:16:37 11/25/16 (5)
- RE: Psychoacoustics - Inmate51 22:21:45 01/01/17 (0)
- RE: Psychoacoustics - Frihed89 04:24:41 11/26/16 (3)
- RE: Psychoacoustics - Analog Scott 09:51:32 11/26/16 (2)
- RE: Psychoacoustics - Frihed89 14:17:11 11/27/16 (1)
- RE: Psychoacoustics - Analog Scott 17:55:34 11/27/16 (0)
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- RE: And yet... - Analog Scott 13:13:45 11/29/16 (0)
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