In Reply to: RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. posted by ahendler on November 27, 2016 at 19:55:05:
"He could be talking about the accurate reproduction of the recording he is listening too whether a vinyl record, a cd/sacd or a digital file. If that is what he means we could have a discussion."
1. If that is what he is talking about then he is off topic.
2. What are you talking about? Are you talking about the accuracy these various media offer in reproducing the signal they are fed? Or are you talking about what they "sound like"? Two very different discussions. Yes, we could have a discussion about the objective accuracy vinyl and CDs/SACDs offer in comparison to the signal they are fed. The vinyl is objectively less accurate. Both in it's technical measurements and in it's audible distortions. And there is where that discussion starts.
Now if we are going to have a discussion as to which sounds subjectively better it's a very different discussion. Personally, on my vinyl playback gear I very much prefer sound of the vinyl.
"The problem is who is to say what the recording should sound like."
That does seem to be an on going debate in and of itself.
"Again, this is a subjective hobby which starts in the studio and ends with the listener. JGH and HP both who I admired a lot ignored a lot to try to advance the hobby. Nothing wrong in that. Good listening"
Yes!!! It is subjective. But I think there is this huge myth in audiophilia about accuracy being the goal of audio. There is no attempt built into the basic design of stereo recording and playback to actually be an accurate reconstruction of the original waveform present in the original sound space. It's an absurd idea. The design of stereo recording and playback was to create an *aural illusion* of accuracy to that original event from a specific aural perspective. two very very different design goals. And when one fully grasps that idea, that fundamental difference, then one can understand why an obsession with objective accuracy within each link in the audio chain is only valuable in so far as it serves the aural illusion. Then it also becomes possible to understand that in some cases some inaccuracies actually do a better job of creating the aural illusion.
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- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - Analog Scott 20:21:08 11/27/16 (69)
- This... - kerr 11:10:20 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - hahax@verizon.net 21:21:31 11/27/16 (67)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - Analog Scott 21:40:24 11/27/16 (66)
- RE: Pretty much everything you said here is wrong. - hahax@verizon.net 06:08:31 11/28/16 (65)
- "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 10:27:24 11/28/16 (64)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - ahendler 06:20:13 11/29/16 (1)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 06:32:09 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - hahax@verizon.net 10:38:17 11/28/16 (61)
- here is a thought experiment for you. Lets start by looking at accuracy in audio - Analog Scott 11:30:39 11/28/16 (3)
- Goosebump quotient. Thrill of hearing new, better things in a favorite recording... nt - Smelly_Socks 20:28:16 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: here is a thought experiment for you. Lets start by looking at accuracy in audio - hahax@verizon.net 12:28:09 11/28/16 (1)
- RE: here is a thought experiment for you. Lets start by looking at accuracy in audio - Analog Scott 13:05:26 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 11:22:41 11/28/16 (56)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - hahax@verizon.net 12:26:24 11/28/16 (2)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - Analog Scott 13:01:15 11/28/16 (1)
- RE: "The live experience" There is no such thing - hahax@verizon.net 06:17:29 11/29/16 (0)
- Sure there is - E-Stat 12:25:52 11/28/16 (52)
- And hearing his systems convinced me that we could get close at times. - Analog Scott 13:11:04 11/28/16 (18)
- How? - E-Stat 13:29:25 11/28/16 (17)
- RE: How? - Analog Scott 14:24:50 11/28/16 (16)
- RE: How? - E-Stat 14:49:26 11/28/16 (15)
- Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 17:30:20 11/28/16 (14)
- RE: Three dimensional space - E-Stat 19:01:09 11/28/16 (13)
- RE: Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 19:20:59 11/28/16 (12)
- RE: Three dimensional space - morricab 07:29:51 12/01/16 (6)
- RE: Three dimensional space - A.Wayne 10:02:22 12/06/16 (2)
- EQing? - Analog Scott 13:40:23 12/06/16 (1)
- RE: EQing? - Inmate51 21:32:21 12/31/16 (0)
- RE: Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 08:00:28 12/01/16 (2)
- RE: Three dimensional space - morricab 12:47:29 12/01/16 (1)
- RE: Three dimensional space - Analog Scott 14:35:18 12/01/16 (0)
- RE: Three dimensional space - E-Stat 05:47:33 11/29/16 (4)
- I have quite a few recordings that work to the contrary. - Analog Scott 08:10:42 11/29/16 (3)
- RE: I have quite a few recordings that work to the contrary. - E-Stat 08:24:54 11/29/16 (2)
- RE: I have quite a few recordings that work to the contrary. - Analog Scott 14:34:20 11/29/16 (1)
- "I prefer less realistic more palpable imaging" - E-Stat 15:00:28 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: Sure there is - Analog Scott 12:58:07 11/28/16 (32)
- RE: Sure there is - E-Stat 13:23:49 11/28/16 (31)
- "Any facsimile of a live experience works for me." - Analog Scott 13:29:48 11/28/16 (30)
- Fortunately - E-Stat 13:35:12 11/28/16 (29)
- " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - Analog Scott 14:30:36 11/28/16 (28)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - ahendler 06:27:20 11/29/16 (6)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - Analog Scott 10:10:45 11/29/16 (5)
- And yet... - E-Stat 11:01:43 11/29/16 (1)
- RE: And yet... - Analog Scott 13:13:45 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - ahendler 10:35:41 11/29/16 (2)
- "I know crap when I hear it" - Analog Scott 13:17:43 11/29/16 (1)
- RE: "I know crap when I hear it" - ahendler 14:42:31 11/29/16 (0)
- RE: " That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - E-Stat 14:42:08 11/28/16 (20)
- RE: "That assertion has nothing to do with either HP's concept or what I use as a reference." - Analog Scott 17:20:44 11/28/16 (19)
- "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - E-Stat 19:04:25 11/28/16 (18)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - Analog Scott 08:38:18 12/01/16 (17)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - E-Stat 10:18:43 12/01/16 (16)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - Analog Scott 14:40:50 12/01/16 (15)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - E-Stat 15:24:45 12/01/16 (14)
- RE: "It was painfully overloaded by the piano." - Analog Scott 16:10:57 12/01/16 (13)
- I'm going to end - E-Stat 16:21:16 12/01/16 (12)
- I figured as much - Analog Scott 16:36:22 12/01/16 (11)
- Once you turned - E-Stat 06:33:34 12/03/16 (10)
- Still dodging the questions. Nice try - Analog Scott 09:01:37 12/03/16 (9)
- I couldn't care less about your question - E-Stat 09:42:18 12/03/16 (8)
- Then why do you stay in the conversation? - Analog Scott 10:03:46 12/03/16 (7)
- Remind you - E-Stat 10:19:29 12/03/16 (6)
- Yet another post and no discussion about the subject. I admire your commitment to avoiding the subect - Analog Scott 10:34:05 12/03/16 (5)
- Subject was over long ago! - E-Stat 10:40:54 12/03/16 (4)
- and yet you keep posting and keep avoiding it at the same time - Analog Scott 10:52:01 12/03/16 (3)
- I enjoy humor! - E-Stat 11:06:30 12/03/16 (2)
- I enjoy humor too. - Analog Scott 11:34:26 12/03/16 (1)
- RE: I enjoy humor too. - E-Stat 12:03:23 12/03/16 (0)