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In Reply to: Re: Tell me why (serious question) posted by Dan Banquer on March 29, 2007 at 10:27:02:
"I attribute that to the Thermionic noise of the tube amps and how the speaker disperses that noise."And what if the tube amp is as quiet as a good SS amp and yet soundstages much better? What then, Dan? I know many SS amps noisier (as in good old hiss coming from the speaker) than my tube amp. Do you know what the theoretical noise limit is for a good vacuum tube? I would bet that it is lower than you can hear. Soundstage is tied closely to the purity of HF reproduction. The less garbage at HF the more likely the amp is able to accurately recreate the ambient information on the recording (whether real or synthetic). It is a fact that tubes are better at delivering power at high frequencies. The fact that the output transformer rolls this off does not change the fact that they have a wider inherent bandwidth, without feedback, than a transistor. Adding feedback DOES increase HF hash in the form of high order harmonics that are signal correlated. This can degrade the ability of the amp to recreate an accurate soundstage. This has been known since the 1950s (read Crowhearst again).
All one has to do is look at the HF distortion of most SS amps with feedback. Nearly all of them show a rather large increase in HF distortion regardless of the power output. This increase is happening right where the critical information on the recording occurs. The implication is obvious.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Tell me why (serious question) - morricab 17:37:47 03/29/07 (27)
- Re: Tell me why (serious question) - Oxia 12:27:36 04/01/07 (2)
- Re: Tell me why (serious question) - Dan Banquer 06:42:38 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Tell me why (serious question) - morricab 06:46:20 04/02/07 (0)
- Re: Tell me why (serious question) - Dan Banquer 04:35:33 03/30/07 (23)
- Re: Tell me why (serious question) - morricab 05:53:43 03/30/07 (22)
- No Prejudice here except your bigotry. nt - Dan Banquer 07:11:22 03/30/07 (21)
- Oh that's a good one, Dan, got me there...NOT! - morricab 09:23:44 03/30/07 (20)
- Re: Oh that's a good one, Dan, got me there...NOT! - andy_c 21:02:58 03/30/07 (19)
- Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 02:58:06 04/02/07 (17)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 09:45:37 04/02/07 (16)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 12:55:19 04/02/07 (15)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 15:38:10 04/02/07 (14)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 17:14:21 04/02/07 (13)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 01:25:30 04/03/07 (12)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 02:09:53 04/03/07 (11)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 07:19:28 04/03/07 (10)
- FYI - morricab 09:06:54 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 08:45:29 04/03/07 (4)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 05:11:55 04/04/07 (1)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 07:08:56 04/04/07 (0)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 09:12:13 04/03/07 (1)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 14:17:47 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - Dan Banquer 07:27:23 04/03/07 (3)
- Oh yeah and they gave your clever little amp a good review too! - morricab 08:50:30 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - theaudiohobby 07:43:50 04/03/07 (1)
- Re: Oh one other thing Andy_C - morricab 08:50:05 04/03/07 (0)
- Re: Oh that's a good one, Dan, got me there...NOT! - morricab 04:58:08 04/01/07 (0)