RE: Any conclusions?

Posted by emailtim (A) on April 14, 2024 at 19:14:01

In Reply to: Any conclusions? posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne on April 14, 2024 at 16:05:21:

The 1st 2 force cancelling builds are tombstone quiet as far as cabinet vibrations are concerned. They would make great pedestals for smaller studio monitors or an LRS stand.

They also benefit from some "port" tuning. Shortening the back of the wells improved response. My next version will have U ports.

You can feel the vibration on the H-Frame cabs even using 1.5" thick MDF on cab all members. The side walls don't flex, but the forward/backward movement is felt. My H-Frames use 3/4" deep rabbets and dados so they are interlocked tight.

The H-Frame loads the room better. I attribute that to the symmetric front and back full length slots (e.g. OB line arrays) crossing more room nodal points.

Combining those 2 observations is my current quest. Hopefully I get the best of both, ...., vs the worst of both. =)

If you want something with higher frequency reach (or to experiment with more XO points), the H-Frame is probably better.

I have been reading more about the Ripole/Linkwitz W-Frames to figure out how they tick vs just using %SD recipes floating around the web.

Characteristics:

- Limits HF extension by quarter wavelength of the well depth (act like a low pass XO).
- Have a high frequency peak that needs to dealt with (well placed XO).
- Lower FS (by up to 10Hz from what I have found)
- Force cancellation.
- W-Frame has for/aft linear averaging.
- Lower output (nothing is for free).
- Requires power.

If you add mass to a driver, it lowers the FS. This can be done with physical weights or "air weight".

There are FS and Compliance formulas using Mms and Cms values. These 2 formulas should help model/predict resulting FS based on cab dimensions and driver selections vs just using the %SD based formulas on the web.

I used the 1st formula to calculate FS from multiple driver specs and the results appear to match the manufacturer's specs. The FS on my GR Research drivers are 28Hz. Hopefully I can drop that to 20Hz with just the cabinet (e.g. before DSP).

Fs = 1 / (2 x pi x sqrt(Mms * Cms) )
Cms = 1 / ( (2 x pi x Fs)^2 x Mms )
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Topic - Magnepan Review from TAS - MarcL 07:34:35 04/09/24 (32)

RE: Magnepan Review from TAS - dumpingground 12:43:14 04/10/24 (1)

RE: Magnepan Review from TAS - andyr 21:16:24 04/25/24 (0)

As for me - E-Stat 15:24:01 04/09/24 (28)

HAL's 8" H-Frame stack + Nexus DSP - emailtim 15:38:31 04/09/24 (0)

RE: As for me - MarcL 15:27:26 04/09/24 (26)

Dipole radiation - E-Stat 15:39:24 04/09/24 (18)

Reversing half the woofers cancels odd order distortion (not related to directivity) - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 18:02:15 04/09/24 (12)

Correction - cancels even-order distortion (asymmetry) - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 22:43:32 04/09/24 (0)

Making it full range dipolar - E-Stat 19:57:29 04/09/24 (10)

It is already fully dipolar - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 21:03:45 04/09/24 (9)

RE: It is already fully dipolar - josh358 09:39:28 04/10/24 (1)

WAF: That's what she said. (nt) - emailtim 10:36:24 04/10/24 (0)

Apparently - E-Stat 05:23:44 04/10/24 (6)

RE: Apparently - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 14:55:02 04/10/24 (5)

RE: Apparently - emailtim 00:14:29 04/11/24 (2)

Any conclusions? - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:05:21 04/14/24 (1)

RE: Any conclusions? - emailtim 19:14:01 04/14/24 (0)

Yes - E-Stat 15:47:12 04/10/24 (1)

I've seen this film before ... - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:53:11 04/10/24 (0)

RE: Dipole radiation - emailtim 16:03:25 04/09/24 (4)

Can't really see the drivers from those pics - E-Stat 19:56:08 04/09/24 (3)

RE: Can't really see the drivers from those pics - josh358 09:42:28 04/10/24 (1)

Shaped more like a home theater bipole -nt - E-Stat 10:33:15 04/10/24 (0)

RE: Can't really see the drivers from those pics - emailtim 20:21:22 04/09/24 (0)

RE: As for me - emailtim 15:34:16 04/09/24 (6)

RE: As for me - MarcL 06:36:36 04/10/24 (5)

One other observation - emailtim 12:39:01 04/10/24 (0)

RE: As for me - emailtim 10:26:58 04/10/24 (2)

RE: As for me - MarcL 05:45:19 04/11/24 (1)

RE: As for me - emailtim 10:52:43 04/11/24 (0)

RE: As for me - josh358 09:46:11 04/10/24 (0)

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