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In Reply to: RE: beaming posted by A.Wayne on February 29, 2016 at 14:44:11:
That is an unlikely cause since beaming is a dispersion issue and a property of the speaker geometry. In the Spectra 4400 vs the 2+2 the top end is not played by all the panels.
Where you may be right is in there being a phase contribution to beaming - usually off axis, but I don't see how the phase relationship would change that differently between frequency ranges by the amp alone - though severe and badly implemented feedback as is common in SS amps might do so because of propagation delay in semiconductors and the presence of stray reactive components within the feedback loop.
The only class D amps where I am aware of the designer being careful to track and minimize propagation delay and to correct for phase distortion that can result is the Spectron Musician (at least for version III) . In SS amps, Nelson Pass pays attention to this in all his designs (or at least lip service) and particularly with the FirstWatt non-NFB amps. Ayre and Simaudio/Moon also restrict feedback for those reasons in their SS amps. Devialet and NAD in their Masters series class D amps claim to use DSP to compensate for the phase characteristics of their amp sections. The Devialet definitely seems to do so as successfully as do Spectron.
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - john65b 13:18:04 02/19/16 (94)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Satie 19:43:52 02/19/16 (87)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - john65b 06:39:25 02/20/16 (86)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Satie 11:07:53 02/20/16 (83)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - morricab 08:10:01 02/26/16 (0)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 11:44:04 02/20/16 (81)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 06:27:53 02/21/16 (75)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 08:12:02 02/26/16 (49)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 09:29:49 02/26/16 (48)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 14:11:00 02/26/16 (26)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 14:53:14 02/26/16 (25)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 15:38:04 02/27/16 (24)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 17:47:01 02/27/16 (23)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 14:32:22 03/02/16 (20)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 15:10:52 03/04/16 (19)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 11:46:38 03/06/16 (17)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 19:40:50 03/06/16 (16)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 03:59:28 03/07/16 (15)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 07:52:06 03/07/16 (14)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 05:18:52 03/08/16 (13)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 05:00:52 03/09/16 (12)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Satie 21:05:36 03/09/16 (4)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - E-Stat 19:38:35 03/10/16 (2)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 20:50:56 03/10/16 (1)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 08:17:23 03/10/16 (0)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 18:47:39 03/09/16 (5)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 08:39:28 03/10/16 (4)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 13:15:18 03/10/16 (0)
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- RE: Class B for the Deaf - morricab 15:18:52 03/10/16 (1)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 13:28:16 02/26/16 (9)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 14:04:15 02/26/16 (8)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 15:04:36 02/26/16 (6)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 15:26:09 02/26/16 (2)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 15:33:00 02/26/16 (1)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 15:37:12 02/26/16 (0)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Satie 10:23:54 02/26/16 (10)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 14:01:14 02/26/16 (4)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 18:26:02 02/26/16 (2)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - morricab 15:30:22 02/27/16 (1)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Satie 18:45:37 02/28/16 (0)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 13:30:52 02/26/16 (4)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Satie 15:06:14 02/26/16 (3)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 06:41:01 02/27/16 (2)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Satie 13:10:53 02/27/16 (0)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Davey 10:07:26 02/21/16 (21)
- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - A.Wayne 10:45:23 02/21/16 (20)
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- RE: for someone never answering questions , serious Irony - Davey 16:15:31 02/21/16 (17)
- RE: for someone never answering questions , serious Irony - A.Wayne 07:20:36 02/22/16 (16)
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- RE: for someone never answering questions , serious Irony - Davey 15:10:28 02/26/16 (9)
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- RE: beaming - A.Wayne 14:44:11 02/29/16 (1)
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- RE: beaming - Satie 14:46:00 02/28/16 (1)
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- RE: for someone never answering questions , serious Irony - Davey 14:57:39 02/26/16 (0)
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- RE: Class D , Class-a , Zmin and phase is Very important - Satie 15:57:44 02/26/16 (0)
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - A.Wayne 17:36:04 02/19/16 (1)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - john65b 19:32:00 02/19/16 (0)
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Jian 12:04:07 02/11/16 (1)
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - davidbeinct 10:37:44 02/11/16 (19)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Satie 06:53:39 02/12/16 (16)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - InfinityApogee 07:35:10 02/13/16 (15)
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - morricab 12:26:04 02/16/16 (13)
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Satie 14:45:04 02/16/16 (10)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - InfinityApogee 16:53:12 02/16/16 (9)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - morricab 02:16:11 02/18/16 (5)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - A.Wayne 04:46:07 02/18/16 (4)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - morricab 06:22:26 02/18/16 (3)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - A.Wayne 14:45:23 02/18/16 (2)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - morricab 08:09:27 02/19/16 (1)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - A.Wayne 10:15:44 02/19/16 (0)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Satie 19:53:42 02/16/16 (2)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - InfinityApogee 22:02:42 02/16/16 (1)
- RE: Class D for Acoustats - morricab 02:23:31 02/18/16 (0)
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- RE: Class D for Acoustats - Satie 12:25:20 02/10/16 (0)
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