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DIY Vinyl cleaning fluid

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Posted on March 8, 1999 at 12:53:43
SFDude


 
What are the various recipes for a vinyl cleaning fluid WITHOUT using Lysol Direct in them? This thing is a real *^%&* to find.
I've already got Isopropyl Alcohol (91%) and distilled water. Waiting to acquire the other ingredients and I can get back to cleaning my vinyl. I believe that the Tourmat that I'm using is a little too old (about 2 years).

 

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Re: DIY Vinyl cleaning fluid, posted on March 8, 1999 at 14:46:13
David_M


 
Have you tried K-mart for the lysol direct? I found mine there. Check all the grocery stores in town too. In this area (IL) it seems to be all over. I don't really know what a good substitute would be. My understanding was lysol direct was somewhat unique. I've stopped using home-brew and just buy the VPI concentrate its like $12 for a little bottle and makes a gallon of fluid.

 

Re: DIY Vinyl cleaning fluid, posted on March 8, 1999 at 15:22:10
Steve


 
I use the Genie-In-A-Bottle concentrate sold by the Tweak Shop and a few other places; 6-8 drops/gallon of 25% isopropanol/water, one bottle enough to make 60 gallons. I am surprised that there is some difficulty finding 99% isopropanol, as our Meijer 24 hour grocery/department stores in central Ohio sell the 99% stuff.

 

Re: DIY Vinyl cleaning fluid, posted on March 8, 1999 at 21:12:24
Check below for a number of recipes some of which don't use the Lysol Direct.

 

Try Target, I found it there in Colorado (nt), posted on March 8, 1999 at 22:00:37
Richard


 


 

I agree, and a warning, posted on March 9, 1999 at 07:11:36
Jack G


 
I use the VPI concentrate(in a gallon of 25%isopropanol)-its cheap and safe. despite what all the DIY recepies say, I am hesitant to use many of them that contain Photoflo. Yes, its supposed to be a wetting agent, but I had to stop usding it in the darkroom, because it left a film on my negatives-not something I want on my irreplaceble LPs.
Jack

 

Thanks for the leads..., posted on March 9, 1999 at 09:55:59
SFDude


 
I'm going to be doing some mass vinyl cleaning this weekend (about 70 LPs) and don't want to spend a whole afternoon doing it (need some time to ENJOY the music rather than cleaning the media). Preparation makes it easier to manage.

Thanks for helping out!

 

Re: DIY Vinyl cleaning fluid, posted on March 9, 1999 at 13:07:58
Allan


 
I got this today from the dealer that sold me my turntable.
60% distilled water, 40% everclear (200 proof grain alcohol) and 1 capfull of photoflo per gallon

 

Re: DIY Vinyl cleaning fluid, posted on March 10, 1999 at 16:23:45
Guys, having worked at Discwasher years back (for 7 years), I got to know a bit about vinyl, and cleaning it.

I helped Dr. Maier, the founder and President of the company (a biochemist), with much of the latter day research into vinyl cleaning and the ills of the competition.

The main thing boils down to one aspect: whatever you use, water, alcohol, surfactants, etc. GET IT ON AND OFF THE VINYL QUICKLY !

Pure water is highly active, and will eat up poly-based plastics like you wouldn' believe! DIscwasher had to replace the drums and containers used to mix and hold the dialysis grade purte water used in the D4 formula quite frequently! Even teflon lined ones only helped some.

Alcohol, even isopropyl, will eventually leach out the stabilizers and other vinyl fillers, so again, keep the contact to a minimum, get it on, and get it off in a timely fashion

As for other additives and ingedients, I do NOT recomend Photoflo, it leaves a residue, and is hard to get off after it has been applied.
Ditto Lysol Direct, it is not as benign as you would believe.

For those really dirty or salvaged records, just a tiny drop of plain DAWN dishwashing detergent, with a mild isopropol (20%) pure water rinse, will usually do the trick. This will also leach stabilizers if left on the record, get it on and off quickly.

I whole hearted recommend the use of a decent vacuum cleaner, as this is the ONLY way to get the fluid off in a hurry! DO NOT LET THEM AIR DRY!

BTW, D4 fluid was buffered and treated so it's hyper pure water would not attack, and on the whole, it had less solids content than even a good grade of soft tap water, it was designed to be attracted to the chemically treated brush fibers, and held until evaporating. Quit sophisticated actually, too bad the whole story was never told, but Bruce didn't want to give away all the trade secrets.

Jon Risch

 

Discwasher fluid, posted on March 11, 1999 at 01:09:25
Sean


 
Jon, how stable is that fluid ? I still have a few large bottles of it and was wondering if it was any good or still safe to use ? Is that stuff still available at all ? Sean
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Re: Discwasher fluid, posted on March 11, 1999 at 19:14:36
Sean,

Look in the bottle by removing the cap, and shining a strong light in through the side. If the fluid looks clear and free of any debris or dark matter, then it is probably OK.

Sometimes, the employees that worked mixing and dispensing the fluid would break protocol, and contaminate a batch. Even though each batch was checked for proper chemical content, if contaminated, it would eventually grow a mold in the bottle, usually only after years of storage though. The usual situation is that the fluid would remain fresh and stable for years, as it was buffered and had anti-microbial ingedients.

One other check is to carefully smell the fluid. It should not smell sour or real bad, just sort of soapy and very mild chemical smelling.
Even though Bruce Maier used to drink bottles of the stuff to show it was non-toxic, I would be careful with any older fluid, as you have no way of knowing what condition it is in, so be careful not to ingest any or get it in your eyes, nose, etc. as a precaution.

As far as I know, Recoton is still selling it, although I noticed they quit making the most advanced formula, D4+, as it was much more expensive to make than the regular D4.

Jon Risch

 

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