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Moved on from brushes and rollerballs

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Posted on November 6, 2020 at 19:22:36
Dawnrazor
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Not saying its better but I moved on to kevlar string. Definitely less fussy and cheap too

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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 7, 2020 at 02:47:15
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you should try the Aphex Aural Exciter, I find it is much better than the BBE. Just sayin'

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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 7, 2020 at 05:20:44
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Yeah. I just cant seem to find it. Like they stopped making it

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Link, posted on November 7, 2020 at 05:28:06
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And it's Bullet-Proof... nt, posted on November 7, 2020 at 07:55:12
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RE: Link, posted on November 7, 2020 at 09:11:07
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I know the product. You have a link where you can actually BUY it??

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There was a wire suspended rack system, but I don't recall the name. (nt), posted on November 7, 2020 at 10:52:00
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You're not stringing us along are you?..., posted on November 7, 2020 at 13:48:33
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Cool and impressive tweak.

You are patient too!

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure


 

RE: Link, posted on November 7, 2020 at 14:12:20
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I've bought the latest one, C3 I think, on Ebay from a dealer I think it was. It was years ago so I'm not sure. Maybe Guitar Center might have it or order it and there are probably other places too.

Try using Bing to see where

I know I've seen used, older models on Ebay (the C2 model both are good). If Aphex takes Email see if they might know in your area or mail order.

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RE: You're not stringing us along are you?..., posted on November 7, 2020 at 14:15:34
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I did not know that Hafler made a funambulist model

I must say, one may avail themselves of quite the education here on AA

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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 7, 2020 at 19:32:13
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I did something similar years ago with a turntable.

 

RE: There was a wire suspended rack system, but I don't recall the name. (nt), posted on November 7, 2020 at 21:15:04
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Arcici maybe??

 

The one's I'm thinking of actually had a wire cable "X" instead of a shelf..., posted on November 8, 2020 at 06:03:20
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but I do recall the brand you mentioned also being popular.

I keep thinking it had "air balloon" or "cloud" (edit)in the name. But no luck searching the net.

Cheers!

Jonesy


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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 8, 2020 at 12:41:35
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You need to try different types of kevlar string: different manufacturers,
different thicknesses, etc. Then, you need to try using different knots
and different attaching points on your rack and on the component. Just
remember, every little difference can affect the sound you hear.
Whether or not you can observe a thing depends upon the theory you use. It is the theory which decides what can be observed. - Albert Einstein

 

The theory you use?... in his case..., posted on November 8, 2020 at 19:21:41
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naaa, I got to let it go.


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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 9, 2020 at 07:25:34
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I think you are just playing or something. Doubtful any of that will make a difference and good luck a/bing it!

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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 9, 2020 at 08:11:52
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Hi DR,

Have you ever tried tone wood as a platform under your equipment??

 

Interesting..., posted on November 9, 2020 at 12:09:44
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One of the first responses to naysayers by someone in the "everything makes a difference" crowd who has a favorite theory to improve sound is to ask if they've tried it, saying they can't possibly reject the idea if they haven't.

Your response is a clear example that shows that even the most willing adherents of the everything-makes-a-difference philosophy have a point at which they draw a line and say "nah, that couldn't possibly change anything."

The only real difference between the two groups is where they draw the line. ;-)

 

Good post.... my observation is that line is drawn in the sand... N/T, posted on November 9, 2020 at 13:21:55
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RE: Interesting..., posted on November 9, 2020 at 17:06:17
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I might have a different response if I could AB things. Even then AB is not a must. But in this case I am making no claims. I decided to change things because the roller balls especially were a pain. I also think its probably fair to say that there probably is not much difference in performance between the 2 methods in handling vibration.

I have new headphones now so I can't say if the rope is better or worse and didn't care really.

That said the brushes/ rollerballs once I put them on everything really made a sizeable difference. It was surprising because I am using headphones..

Its a good point. Seems like usb cables and routers are most people lines and they don't test anything before dismissing things out of hand.

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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 9, 2020 at 17:08:57
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Nope. FWIW that is how my bbe was set up and with the same brushes. Though I had a coconut sponge cut to fit the bottom of the brush so the no part of the brush was touching the shelf.

Does the tone wood help?

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The subject of A/B testing..., posted on November 9, 2020 at 19:21:42
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... in itself is a point of contention in the audiophile community. Particularly with fervent subjectivists, this method of evaluating components is looked down on with great disdain.

 

RE: The subject of A/B testing..., posted on November 10, 2020 at 08:10:00
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A/B testing is an altogether different matter than double blind testing. Swapping-out one device vs. another to hear if something may sound different is the foundation of the audiophile experience, and must be done by audio designers/manufacturers when developing a product. For example, evaluating one cap or resistor to hear if it performs better, or simply more to one's liking is often directly compared with another, rather than only relying on audio memory. Double blind testing is often considered definitive by objectivists who may not hear any difference, while a subjectivist often hears a difference right off the bat, since they tend to have better trained ears.

 

RE: The subject of A/B testing..., posted on November 10, 2020 at 10:44:26
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That doesn't make much sense to me. Its not like the "subjectivists" just say omg this is more expensive so it has to be better. Certainly people listen to things and make up their own minds right?



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Why is testing so divisive?, posted on November 10, 2020 at 12:57:23
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Many associate A/B testing with rapid switching but would prefer long(er) evaluation periods. I think everyone should find a testing period that suits them - rapid or slow. But, IMHO, good testing should be unsighted because knowing what you are listening to undoubtedly influences the result.'Double blind' is a rigorous sub-set of unsighted testing that seems to be a pejorative term among subjectivists. It is probably impossible to achieve unsighted testing for long(er) evaluation periods and likely only practical under controlled A/B or A/B/X testing. People don't like the pressure of A/B testing and conflate it with the unsighted aspect. Regarding objectivists and subjectivists I think the underlying question is of expectation bias. If you expect to hear no difference then you probably won't hear one under any circumstances. If you do expect to hear a difference then unsighted testing is the best way to prove a difference is heard and not seen.

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RE: Moved on from brushes and rollerballs, posted on November 11, 2020 at 11:23:38
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Hey DR,

If you would like to try platforms under your pieces, perhaps to start with, bamboo could be worth a shot under the amp.

You would need to lose the sponges on the brushes so the brush would make contact with the bamboo.

Under the bamboo platform you would need to decouple the platform from the shelf. Those rubber/cork/rubber things would work or you could get some Acousti feet that Duster mentioned some time ago.

Bed, Bath and Beyond has some good prices on bamboo cutting boards.

And of course, YMMV for sure!!!

 

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