Tweakers' Asylum

Tweaks for systems, rooms and Do It Yourself (DIY) help. FAQ.

Return to Tweakers' Asylum


Message Sort: Post Order or Asylum Reverse Threaded

Furutech GTX-D ( R ) Vs GTX-D NCF ( R ) Vs Oyaide R1 AC Outlets.

99.137.6.87

Posted on March 8, 2016 at 14:09:10
el34eh@yahoo.com
Audiophile

Posts: 616
Location: Michigan
Joined: September 6, 2003

Hello Guys,

As someone whom only comes around when in need of assistance, as most things in my system have evolved to the point where there's very little else to learn, or wish to change as far as audio components in them self goes, yet as I'm trying to finalize certain aspects of said little details like the proper use of said AC Outlets, Cords etc, etc, I'm trying to see whether or not any of you have any opinions on how each of these outlets stack up to one another?.

As it's somewhat unheard of to audition theses in home and then return the unsued ones, I'm trying very hard to use logic as my guide, yet know that more often then not, it's the end users to whom I've to put my trust in as opposed to some whom merely get paid to endorse one product or another in hopes of maintaining a certain advertising dollar for those whom they work for............, yet in truth it's the consumers view to which I hold more close at heart, as the proof in the pudding for me, has always to see what one actually uses within the confines of their own systems or rooms.

As a long time proponent of the Oyaide R1, I've noticed of late a few whom have moved onto the cheaper Maestro saying it's more transparent, which then lead them to use the Furutech GTX-D ( R ) saying this was even better, and now with the current release of said GTX-D NCF ( R ) version, there appears to be a passing of the guard if you will............, I'm merely trying to hear what you guys whom take AC Outlets seriously think of the whole concept behind the appoarch that each of these companies support?, does it make sense then to move onto say a GTX-D ( R )?, or merely invest $260 in the newer version and be done with it once and for all?.

And knowing well in advance, there's a collective here to which I'm fully aware of have set biases, yet know more so then any other forum, many of you speak the truth as felt in both your minds and hearts on said matters, so please don't hold back on my account, by all means share what you know in thus subject, as I see this as my last go around as far as attention to the little details that enhances ones system, yet at times is overlooked, or under appreciated for what clean, quiet power brings to ones system as far as performance and self contentment goes.

No need for Naysayers to pop in with rude remarks, as I'd much prefer to keep matters rational, and to the point, good, bad or indiffently.

Thanks for taking the time in advance, to share your opinions with someone whom while sees an end to the madness of pursuing the equipment side of this hobby, for the sake of slight differences in components here or there, and whom would much rather spend whatever time I've left on the planet, merely having my senses washed over with the sound of an expansive music collection laid at my finger tips knowing that good enough, is just that.

System wise.........., I'm done, but a few selective tweaks here and there can't be all that bad, can they?.

Be well fellow music lovers.

Regards,
O_o scar

 

Hide full thread outline!
    ...
RE: Furutech GTX-D ( R ) Vs GTX-D NCF ( R ) Vs Oyaide R1 AC Outlets., posted on March 9, 2016 at 08:56:47
el34eh@yahoo.com
Audiophile

Posts: 616
Location: Michigan
Joined: September 6, 2003

My bad, obviously I've asked another one of those difficult to respond to type questions.

No fear, like with most things in life, we all must stand alone at some point shortly before meeting our Creator, I'll figure it out on my own, sorry to have wasted your and my time by asking silly questions here.

 

RE: Furutech GTX-D ( R ) Vs GTX-D NCF ( R ) Vs Oyaide R1 AC Outlets., posted on March 9, 2016 at 09:25:13
trekpilot5.2
Audiophile

Posts: 8
Location: Wisconsin
Joined: January 21, 2014
I have recently upgraded from the R1 to the GTX-D (R) and in my system it was money well spent. The R1 was a marginal improvement from the Hubbell 5362 that I was using but I always thought the R1 had a slight veil to it and the high end seemed a bit rolled off.

The GTX-D has the veil removed allowing me to hear more of the mirco details in the music along with a little more air on the high end. Cymbals sound more realistic.

I have a tube based system so I went with the rhodium plated outlet.

I purchased my outlet from VH Audio who offers a 5 day cook of the outlet to aid burn in time.

Hope this helps,
Scott

 

RE: Furutech GTX-D ( R ) Vs GTX-D NCF ( R ) Vs Oyaide R1 AC Outlets., posted on March 9, 2016 at 10:27:09
el34eh@yahoo.com
Audiophile

Posts: 616
Location: Michigan
Joined: September 6, 2003

Hello Scott,

Thank you, and indeed it helped in more ways then you'll ever know, and just the sort of issue I was trying to ask about, as it was only recently that I became aware of said unaturalness in the extremes highs on the R1, and was merely looking into available alternatives, where it seems that either of their versions of the GTX-D ( R ) would certainly fit the bill.

Thanks again, I'm on it.
O_oh

 

Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on March 12, 2016 at 18:19:11
Duster
Audiophile

Posts: 12316
Location: Pacific Northwest
Joined: August 25, 2002
I find the sonic benefits of each AC outlet are (in effect) system, component, and/or listener dependent issues. Since they sound quite different, it won't be difficult to decide which one is preferable for a particular application, IME.

I have an Oyaide R1 and a Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) installed right next to each other in a power line distributor, so I'm able to compare the two quite different sounding AC outlets in a comprehensive manner. They provide quite different sonic signatures, and in my opinion can actually complement each other when implemented as customized system tuning devices. To a degree, the main aspects of their differences have to do with soundstage height and essential differences in tonality which may or may not be what a listener seeks for a particular component, or a systemwide gestalt such as the particular AC outlet installed at the wall that feeds downstream power line distributors/conditioners.

I find the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) provides a taller soundstage dimension, and a more linear and leaner tonality from top to bottom, while the Oyaide R1 provides denser sounding images and a stronger sounding bottom end, with a more subdued treble energy in comparison. Some folks might find the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) to sound more anylitical, while the Oyaide R1 to sound more musical, but these are subjective generalities based on my own opinions. YMMV

In my case, the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) feeds my solid state preamplifier and DIP (Digital Interface Processor) with both power cords terminated with Furutech FI-50(G) AC plugs, while my power amplifier power cord terminated with Wattgate Gold is plugged into the Oyaide R1 with the second socket feeding a downstream power line conditioner via a power cord terminated with Oyaide 004 Beryllium AC connectors. For use with my my solid state power amplifier, I find the Oyaide R1 to be preferable to the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R). The effect of the Oyaide R1 provides a more natural acoustic vs. the more analytical perspective of the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) when implemented for my solid state power amplifier, placed within my particular audio system. YMMV

For a tube system, the Furutech GTX-D(R) or the newer GTX-D NCF(R) are likely better options than an Oyaide R1 which presents a more subdued treble characteristic that may make the Oyaide R1 better suited for solid state systems with a more energetic top end. However, even for a solid state system like mine, the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlet, especially when mated with a gold plated Furutech FI-50(G) AC plug is a stellar AC outlet/AC plug combo, not unlike the original "killer app" Oyaide SWO-XXX AC outlet/Oyaide P-079 AC plug combo, IME.

The same differences of the Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) vs. the Oyaide R1 can be found via the Furutech FI-50(G) AC plug vs. the Oyaide P-004 Beryllium AC plug. In my case, I re-terminated an Acrolink 7N-P4030II power cord originally terminated with Oyaide 004 AC connectors with a set of Furutech FI-50(G) AC connectors as an experiment, and found that the FI-50(G) didn't provide good synergy to my ear. In the case of the Acrolink 7N-P4030II power cord, I much prefer the synergy provided by the Oyaide 004 AC connectors when placed on a source component.

I recommend that folks might consider what I did, and install both an Oyaide R1 and a Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) in a power line distributor/conditioner in order to hear what each can do within their particular audio systems.

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on March 12, 2016 at 19:06:47
el34eh@yahoo.com
Audiophile

Posts: 616
Location: Michigan
Joined: September 6, 2003

Duster,

Thanks.........., as always, it seems that I can always rely upon you as one of those whom I see as the voice of logic, and judging by your writings, I should've known if anyone had played around with the different sonics of either of these outlets, it would've been you.

I'll certainly look into having both installed onto one of my line distributors and in fact learn how to judge their sonics as mentioned, and afterwards learn how to be ulitize either according to said component which they work with in said comprehensive manner as per your recommendations, as what you've stated does in fact makes for a very practical means of voicing ones system according to the strengths and weaknesses of their front end components and amplification as needed.

And in hindsight, what you've mentioned in regards to matching the plating materials to each outlet does indeed support what you've been saying all along, it's a synergy thing and one that shouldn't be taken for granted.

Thanks once again to you and Steve both, for coming to my as distances on this, as I was beginning to lose a great deal of sleep on which way would prove worth pursuing. This does make matters much much clearer in my mind.

Once again..........., much appreciation to you both.

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on March 12, 2016 at 20:27:08
Duster
Audiophile

Posts: 12316
Location: Pacific Northwest
Joined: August 25, 2002
Hi O_o scar,

As you know, the sonic signature of every path in the signal chain can make a big difference, one way or another.

I would be glad to follow an evaluation of your project in this forum.

Cheers, Duster

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on March 13, 2016 at 09:01:11
David Pritchard
Audiophile

Posts: 206
Location: New Mexico
Joined: February 5, 2008
Duster:

Very nice in depth description of the sonics imparted by various wall outlets. I am in absolute agreement with your analysis.

In addition to the fundamental effect the wall outlets make, there has been recent improvements in audio grade fuses. In the past I have uses Furutech, Isoclean, Synergistic Research SR-20, and factory stock fuses. All changed the sound with the 10 cent stock fuse sounding the worst.

The new Synergistic Research "Black" fuse has a much greater and positive change than any of the above fuses. For me it has really opened up a significant sonic bottleneck. Best of all they are sold with a 30 day money back trial. These fuses combined with the correct wall outlet absolutely improve the audio experience.

I hope Duster and others will audition this fuse and I look forward to Duster's opinion.

David Pritchard

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on March 13, 2016 at 09:12:04
el34eh@yahoo.com
Audiophile

Posts: 616
Location: Michigan
Joined: September 6, 2003

Hello Duster,

No truer words could've been spoken | written. And once again it's truly an honor having you watch over my moments in said matters.

Thanks again,
O_oh

 

RE: Furutech GTX-D ( R ) Vs GTX-D NCF ( R ) Vs Oyaide R1 AC Outlets., posted on March 13, 2016 at 10:13:20
SgreenP@MSN.com
Audiophile

Posts: 2941
Joined: April 23, 2007
I replaced my outlets with Maestro. These outlets are a superior product, but don't affect the tone/timber of the system...a good thing.

 

RE: Furutech GTX-D ( R ) Vs GTX-D NCF ( R ) Vs Oyaide R1 AC Outlets., posted on March 13, 2016 at 10:32:53
el34eh@yahoo.com
Audiophile

Posts: 616
Location: Michigan
Joined: September 6, 2003

I've read very favorably on these, as well as the Avatar Acoustics Afterburner 8's, to which I've recommended either or to many friends of mine as the bare minimum of what I believe quality AC outlets should be.

At some point, I've to take my own recommendations into account, and buy a few of these myself, as one never knows what might synergistically match this or that component or power cord with a greater sense of ease?, as none of it is casted into stone. Yet it much like the importance of isolating each component from its surroundings has become those ares where I for one pay attention to, and in regards to room acoustic treatment, am sold on the concept behind both those little Sugar Cube devices from ASI, as well as those HFT types from SR, yet in truth........., it comes down to one actually trying them before writing them off as snake oil, or voodoo, as I personally wouldn't be with either so great are the effects in our space.

Yet as the saying goes..........., either one hears said effects?, or not?, therein lies ones truth, but to merely sit there knocking this or that concept, is much like one whom owns nice tube gear, yet one whom follows others lead, and never venture beyond the likes of tubes made by Amperex | Mullard or Telefunken, when in fact there are some brands which are much much better sonically at beating each of these without breaking a sweat, it's not even funny.........., yet the proof remains in the listening, and ones effort to be open minded enough to venture outwards, I'd say.

Thanks for chiming in.

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on April 15, 2016 at 19:24:31
audiotunesx
Audiophile

Posts: 3
Joined: July 29, 2013
Thank you for this review of the new NCF outlet Duster! A few years back I read your review on Oyaide 079's and decided to use them throughout my system which needed warmth/lush sound. You were spot on, and I've enjoyed the sound for some time. Recently, I had the chance to compare with the 004. The 004's have significantly more resolution and a relaxed silky smooth top end as you described in your review. They are a huge upgrade in my system but lack warmth the Oyaide 079's provide. I was thinking the FI-50(G) would be a homerun but see that you didn't find it a good match with the 7N-P4030II (very similar to my cables). I'm guessing it too has the metallic sound many have mentioned. Do you know if the Furutech FI-28 or Wattgage Evo gold plugs would be an upgrade to the 079 (more resolution) and a good match for the 7N-P4030II? Or is the 004/m1/f1 plugs the only synergistic high resolution option for this sort of cable? Thanks!

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on April 16, 2016 at 10:24:29
Duster
Audiophile

Posts: 12316
Location: Pacific Northwest
Joined: August 25, 2002
I don't find the Furutech FI-50(G) to sound warm in the same manner as the gold plated Oyaide 079. The gold plated FI-50(G) is very neutral to my ear, while the warmth of the 079 is quite obvious. What is the exact make/model of your power cord, and what particular make/model AC outlet is it plugged into?

 

RE: Oyaide R1 vs. Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets, posted on March 3, 2017 at 11:21:39
Posts: 5
Joined: November 11, 2016
Hello,
I have been using Furutech GTX-D NCF(R) AC outlets and Furutech fuses (in Parasound Halo A-21 amplifier) in my system for about a month or so. I have all solid state audio components in my gear. The sound after installing the fuses and the receptacles has improved significantly. Everything matches that you guys talked about the clarity/depth and height of the sound stage. While I love these improvements I found that the top end has become harsh and it sounds a little metallic. The system has had around 250+ hrs after I installed the fuse and the receptacles. Are these components still breaking in or would it be the final signature of the sound? Did you guys have similar experience or have any comment on this issue?
I would appreciate your feedback.
Thanks.

 

Page processed in 0.039 seconds.