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Why would R-C filters improve bass?

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Posted on May 8, 2007 at 12:33:43
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I recently built some R-C filters using Al Sekela's recipe (thanks so much for your help Al!, and I've noticed something intriguing. If I plug one of these into each of the outlets feeding my powered subs (I have a self-built stereo pair of powered subs, each fed by its own outlet (shared circuit between the two I think), and my system is on its own dedicated outlet/circuit), the overall sound of the system improves, but the striking thing is that the bass improves dramatically, getting both tauter and deeper than without the R-C filters. I've tried repeatedly removing and replacing them, and each time, I hear the same change. Why would this be, or what would this indicate might enable me to further improve the sound of my system?
Thanks
Chris

 

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Reducing RF noise improves the whole audible spectrum., posted on May 8, 2007 at 14:35:02
Al Sekela
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My understanding is that RF noise mixes with the audio signal inside equipment and produces spurious audio tones as a result. The higher frequency tones are immediately noticeable as excessive sibilance and mushy cymbals.

The midrange becomes dry and disconnected in the presence of RF noise, leading to a sense of coldness and lack of emotional involvement in the music.

The bass becomes muddy and vague. The best way to tell this is to listen for the sound-stage precision of acoustic bass instruments in good recordings. When RF noise is reduced, they become more palpable and their placement is more clearly defined.

Keep in mind the effect you are hearing may be due to RF noise being coupled back into the main system from the power supplies to the subs, rather than a direct effect on the sub output. All the equipment shares the same AC supply if you trace the wires back far enough. Any piece of equipment, or any non-audio appliance, can generate RF noise that will stimulate resonances on the AC wiring as well as on audio cables.

You can identify the strong RF noise sources outside your audio system by turning off and unplugging the suspects one at a time. If you hear improved sound with the candidate source unplugged, then an in-line filter to that source may give you better sound if it is inconvenient to disconnect it each time you wish to listen. An R-C filter at that point of the AC power wiring may also help.

 

One theory, posted on May 11, 2007 at 11:52:34
unclestu52
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has to do with the subharmonics generated by RF frequencies.
Many current transistors are designed for digital products and such devices have a FR up to mega if not giga Hz range. RF can excite frequencies in those regions and while the human ear may not perceive those frequencies, the interactions of such frequencies will produce subharmonics which are the numerical differences of the involved frequencies. That is a 100 mega Hz oscillation and a 100 megahz plus 10 frequency will produce a subharmonic of 10 Hz.

One solid state designer blames the fact that RF prone devices tend to be solid state (transistors)and blames that on the fact that tube gear has a generally 'warmer' sound. He informed me that his power supplies seem to draw more current than predicted, and inevitably, as his test instrumentation increases in sensitivity and in range, he finds more and more parasitic oscillation in the RF range. Eliminating them produces a significantly warmer sound, he reports (and I do hear it in his designs).

Remember any piece of wire is essentially an antenna. One meter was the standard length for the older car radio antennas, so that gives you an idea of what frequencies a 1 meter IC can pick up. Even circuit board traces can act as an antenna. The consider the amount of wireless devices in current use: cell phones, bluetooths, laptops, remotes. The amount of such devices is constantly growing, pervading our air waves with large amounts of microwave emissions. Your power grid itself is essentially a huge RF network and heaven forbid should your local utility be experimenting with sending computer data on the lines!


Stu

 

Re: Reducing RF noise improves the whole audible spectrum., posted on May 12, 2007 at 12:24:42
pkell44


 
Almost every component in audio equipment generates and radiates RF INSIDE their enclosure, especially active devices such as transistors and 3-terminal voltage regulators. To verify this get a pocket size radio and earphone. Remove the cover of your preamp. Turn it on and tune the radio between stations (AM or FM) and slowly move it over the top of the preamp about 3 inches or so above the preamp. You will be surprised at the cacaphony you hear. Then pass a signal thru the preamp and you will be shocked at the banshee waillings you hear. The only solution to this is to shield the offending components. Copper is a poor shield against RF, reflecting about 1/3 of the RF and passing the rest thru the "shield". Texas Instruments manufactures "T.I. Shield", two sheets of Copper with a proprietary metal between the copper layers. They claim that T.I. Shield blocks 98+ % of both RFI and EMI. It is available in sheet form 12" wide, in various thicknesses from Percy. It is very easy to work with tin snips and solders readily.

Happy Shielding !

 

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