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Posted on March 12, 2017 at 05:42:00
Tubenstein
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It draws my attention about this post. Whether this is possible to have 1M instead of 975K and 430R instead of 422R?

Quality resistors won't come with those weird bvalue like 975K and 422R.

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/KandK/messages/1/10562.html

Would it be wise idea to have CCS for the position of 422R resistors?

My friend has the same linestage, and he might be interested in upgrade his unit if any big improvement.

 

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RE: resistors value, posted on March 12, 2017 at 10:23:05
Chip647
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Yes, close enough is close enough for resistor values. Get familiar with Ohms law and use logic on loading resistors. The 1M resistor just sets the input load. 500K would work as well. The cathode resistor in the second section sets bias as part of the diodes on the grid. 1% variance of a 422 ohm resistor is 4.22 ohms which puts 430 ohms almost within 1%. 5% variance is generally tolerable.

I would not monkey with the cathode resistor on the lower 6922 section. That is a particular circuit that is serving as an active cathode load for the upper section. You are not going to get much an improvement at all, if any. The designer is obviously fully aware of the benefits of CCS cathode loading as they used it in the first stage and would have used it in the next if it was needed.

 

RE: resistors value, posted on March 12, 2017 at 10:47:34
Tubenstein
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I think part of the reason not putting CCS in the second stage because of the costs of production. The SFL-2 almost a bargain price back in the 90s' for what they offered back in the day.

Personal I like those positions with Vishay naked resistors other than CCS.

Don't you think this is a wise idea to have carbon comp resistors for positions like LR27, LR30, LR37, and LR38?

We actually have tried 2 x 54.8K 2W in parallel for the positions of LR35 and LR36 that required 27.4K 3W with great result in my friend's unit. Actually the unit should gain a certain degree of sonic benefit if having wirewound resistor for the remaining positions.

I've seen the circuit diagram in the past and the designer build the supply for the grid supply (145v) is not quite the same level as the other 2 stages.......Any thoughts??









 

Here is the thing: Avoid gilding a dandelion., posted on March 12, 2017 at 13:13:26
Chip647
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I totally disagree, i do not think the decision was made due to cost. A 50 cent transistor is far cheaper than a tube stage in production. Fancy parts are fun, but be careful, you can't improve a marginal circuit with fancy parts to sound better than a good circuit with normal parts.

Balanced circuits were all the rage 20 years ago because of perceived "professional quality". You don't see them much today because they don't sound as good as a quality single ended circuit. Pro's use them in large studio and hall environments as the long cable runs pick up noise, despite the problems they create with inherent distortion of spitting the signal and amplifying the positive and negative separately, then combining them with errors.

What problems do you want to solve with the preamp?

1. How much gain do you need?
2. What circuit are you trying to drive?
3. How long is the cable you are driving?
4. Do you really need balanced patch cords?
4. How many signals do you need to switch?

If all you need is a buffered attenuator for your CD player with two sources to switch and an amp 1 foot away? An AVC, or a 01a, 26, 10, 801a DHT will be worlds better than running your signal through 6 tube sections (12 for stereo) for just some attenuation.

 

RE: Here is the thing: Avoid gilding a dandelion., posted on March 13, 2017 at 08:38:38
Tubenstein
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I agree with you most part, however, this is necessary to have a fully balanced linestage like the SFL-2. I listened to a system that has Lynn Olson Amity abd the SFL-2 drive it perfectly as this amplifier is pretty insensitive -- around 5v input sensitivity with 300B output tubes.

The SFL-2 has a pretty high gain and well designed balanced circuit. I don't think a preamp with your listed DHT tube is able to do the job. Unless a DHT preamp build in the way like this circuit with PT8/PT9 WOT that has 24db with tremendous amount of drive, but it has 2 stages.

Unfortunately, I have the circuit, but no values of all components indicated in the circuit.

 

Solution , possible, workable, posted on March 13, 2017 at 15:45:55
drlowmu
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To get an odd value R, its not ever OK in audio to series-connect Rs, sounds very bad. However, you can parallel Rs, ONLY if you use like-value Rs. The closer the matching of the Rs, to each other, the better it will sound.

Lets look at your 422 Ohms requirement. No mention is made of Watts needed, lets assume 1 Watt or less.

OK, get out your hand held calculator, and compute the value of 422 at various multiples. Lets see..... 3 is 1266 Ohms, four is 1688 Ohms, five is 2110 Ohms and six is 2532 Ohms.

Go to the Michael Percy catalog, and look up Roederstein Resista MK-3 1/2 Watt resistor values, that come CLOSE to the computed multiples values.

Lets see:.................... Standard R value ...............Computes to :

( 3 Xs 422 ) 1266 Ohms .... 1.27 K...................... computed 423.33 Ohms

( 4 Xs 422 ) 1688 Ohms .... 1.69 K.......................computed 422.50 Ohms

( 5 Xs 422 ) 2110 Ohms .... 2.10 K ( out of stock ) ....computed 422.00 Ohms

( 6 Xs 422 ) 2532 Ohms .... 2.55 K ..................... computed 425.00 Ohms

These MK-3s sound good, and are inexpensive, I'd order a number of 1.69 Ks, and match them with a good DMM ( eg : Fluke 8060A 4.5 digit ) as close as I could....in other words, order MORE than three pieces.

There you have how " I " do it, when I need an odd value. Hope this assists some of you.

Jeff Medwin

 

RE: Solution , possible, workable, posted on March 14, 2017 at 09:53:35
Tubenstein
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Thank you very much Jeff!!

 

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