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Fried Model RII. I've got 'em...who else does besides me and HiFiTommy?

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Posted on November 8, 2020 at 14:06:31
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I think these speakers are really good. Hard to find much info on the web, though. Google search turns up an item here and there, lots of recipes for fried chicken.

The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?

 

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RE: Fried Model RII. I've got 'em...who else does besides me and HiFiTommy?, posted on November 8, 2020 at 14:30:52
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check this




 

Too bad I'm in Pennsylvania. , posted on November 8, 2020 at 14:52:12
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Very interesting.
I can understand local pickup only. The Model RIIs are the heaviest speakers I've ever messed with.

The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?

 

Are these the ones?, posted on November 8, 2020 at 18:24:24
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Interesting woofer.

-Rod

 

I had the model 'H' at one time., posted on November 8, 2020 at 19:21:57
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Finished in Africian Rosewood.
Beautiful.
Satellites were B2's.

A babysitter trying to use my ARC SP6E & D100B.
Melted the woofers because she didn't know what the mute
switch was for until flipped it off with the volume control
on full high.
My son said it was really loud dad!
The voice coils were melted.

 

Interesting woofer, posted on November 8, 2020 at 19:42:08
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That's the classic KEF B139 driver. They were very hi-end in the 1970s. I had a set of transmission line speakers that used those woofers, along with the B110 midrange and T27 tweeter. They were very nice for the day.

 

OMG!, posted on November 8, 2020 at 19:56:46
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That's a lot worse than my cleaning lady dusting off my turntable's stylus.

Did you get it fixed?

-Rod

 

RE: Interesting woofer, posted on November 8, 2020 at 20:17:53
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Was it a stacked array or more like theses? A couple of those woofer in a tall tower would likely deliver some nice bass or maybe too much.


-Rod

 

RE: OMG!, posted on November 8, 2020 at 20:57:21
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Yes I replaced them with Frieds new drivers at that time.
A polypropylene instead of Bextrene driver.
Cleaner bass.
IIRC they were $300.00 a pair.
That was way more then 30 years ago.
Today my wife made a knit blanket for that girl.
Now a women with kids of her own.

If I still had those speakers they would have had all the foam
dampening material removed, and replaced with 10 oz poly fill.

 

RE: Are these the ones?, posted on November 8, 2020 at 21:18:57
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Your speakers could be Model R, the 1st speaker made by Fried products after the split with IMF, or the updated Model R II. The boxes and drivers(KEF B139 woofer, KEF B110 mid, KEF T27 tweeter were the same in both versions) The R had a modified KEF Concerto speaker crossover. The R II had a custom crossover with better parts and a 200 Hz crossover instead of 375 Hz. What looks like a port is a deep tunnel heavily stuffed with foam and no sound comes out. It is a version of the Dynaco A25 loading and is also called a variovent. The RII is noticeably more open than the Model R.

I noticed the stands in front of the speakers. They were distributed by Hank Fried, Bud's son.

Lots of memories here for me.

 

RE: OMG!, posted on November 8, 2020 at 21:22:12
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Another good mod was to take the two huge air coil coils in the crossover box and get them as far apart as possible. They interacted causing inter channel interference. I once got in trouble when Bud Fried heard I told some friends to try it. It made the reproduction much more open.

 

Yup. The "racetrack" woofer. nt, posted on November 9, 2020 at 03:07:08
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nt

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The RII uses the same drivers., posted on November 9, 2020 at 03:15:36
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B110 mid, T27 tweeter. All of the drivers are still available new.
If "the day" you're referring to was yesterday, they sounded very nice indeed.

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Separated coils, posted on November 9, 2020 at 04:08:18
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Years after I sold my 'H' sub I built a pair of subs based on my
Fried model 'H' sub using the planes that came with it.
I built them as two separate subs so I could have forward facing drivers.
Plenty of separation of those coils.

 

RE: Interesting woofer, posted on November 9, 2020 at 09:11:35
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I still have a pair of the B139 drivers. There were two versions. The first with stamped steel frame, and these which were called model B with a cast frame. Very good drivers.


 

RE: Interesting woofer, posted on November 9, 2020 at 09:29:57
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Mine had custom built cabinets. The bass units were two tall transmission line boxes with the equivalent of separate LS3/5as stacked on top. The speakers were tri-amped with an active crossover system.

 

It seems these speakers are Rogers LS3/5A speakers with an added woofer.? nt, posted on November 9, 2020 at 11:32:33
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Don't know but I'd like to think so. nt, posted on November 9, 2020 at 14:15:38
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Two of the drivers are the same, but I am sure the crossover is different. nt, posted on November 9, 2020 at 18:26:08
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Very different xovers..., posted on November 9, 2020 at 20:01:00
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...LS3/5A drivers were "selected" and the high pass portion of the xover contained a tapped inductor that was tweaked in production to meet the BBC LS3/5A spec. The low end had a notorious designed-in mid-bass bump designed to give the psycho acoustic impression of deeper bass than it actually had. This bump made seamless integration with a subwoofer difficult.

 

RE: Interesting woofer, posted on November 9, 2020 at 20:29:05
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Pure trivia but 139 stood for the size, 13" by 9". At first there was also a larger version, the B1814, yes 18" by 14". The old cartridge company built a 2 way speaker that used the B1814 and a large plastic, dome tweeter called the T15, much bigger than the T27.

 

RE: Very different xovers..., posted on November 9, 2020 at 21:44:18
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I don't think that's correct ... there's too many 'bumps'

crossovers aren't strip clubs you cad!



 

RE: Fried Model RII. I've got 'em...who else does besides me and HiFiTommy?, posted on November 10, 2020 at 05:48:57
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There's a group of Fried enthusiasts over at HiFi Heaven.

 

that woofer , posted on November 12, 2020 at 21:54:09
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could be found in the original Wilson WAMMs, a pair in each channel. also in the famed IMF Monitor series. in the Rs, the LF cutoff is ~40Hz, in the IMFs--16Hz with a labrynth transmission load.
...regards...tr

 

the ones?, posted on November 12, 2020 at 22:02:18
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mine are the IIs. the woofer loading was called a Line Tunnel by Bud Fried.

i had the original stands sold by Hank that were inadequate. those in the picture look to be marginally more formidable, i now use a welded steel set that i may have gotten from audio advisor.
...regards...tr

 

these speakers are Rogers LS3/5A speakers with an added woofer., posted on November 12, 2020 at 22:09:13
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ESSENTIALLY, yes. i had the LS3/5As and the openness seemed about the same. i now have the Spendor S3/5s which do not have the bass hump of the Rogers that prevented the proper mating of a sub, i tried my ass off.

the Spendors made it possible and now with my Rythmik sub, delight.
...regards...tr

 

Pennsylvania. , posted on November 12, 2020 at 22:19:13
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Stringplay is in CA, the Hs were mine but i never put it together after i bought it from a friend. i used the 150# sub with a 36" tube type tv setting on it. flat to 16Hz.

i retired from Nuclear Medicine and moved to a house with my daughter and her husband. my living room is much smaller so out went a lot of things. i was a borderline hoarder so that was predictable.
...regards...tr

 

I use concrete blocks., posted on November 13, 2020 at 07:12:53
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Hard to say which is heavier--the blocks or the speaker.
Tommy, these are sounding mighty fine after I upgraded my turntable. Still hard to find anybody besides you and I that have ever heard/owned them.

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blocks., posted on November 13, 2020 at 11:46:32
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try painting them flat black and put the open sides of the blocks toward the front to see if it frees up the bass a bit.

you can return to the flat side front if it's not to your taste.

it will be a while until I get mine back in place, I've got the Spendor S3/5s in place now with my new Rythmik sealed Servo 12" sub. damn that's a great sub.
...regards...tr

 

I'm not gonna paint them but I'll turn the blocks around and give that a try., posted on November 13, 2020 at 12:59:26
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though the bass is already very impressive.

The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?

 

RE: the ones?, posted on November 13, 2020 at 20:36:07
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A line tunnel is just a big, deep stuffed port. Bud sometimes varied he stuffing depth depending on customer feedback. Low stuffing allows some bass reinforcement from the port. Heavy stuffing has no reinforcement but noticeably better bass control.

 

RE: the ones?, posted on November 14, 2020 at 10:02:17
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the Dynaco A25S etc had that sort of vent. in those days, just an open port was called bass reflex which always boomed because the woofer was underdamped.

the Dynaco a were nice and tight.
...regards...tr

 

RE: the ones?, posted on November 16, 2020 at 20:50:40
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It's interesting that the Fried R and Dynaco A25 loadings(which came from the Scandinavian variovent research; indeed the A25 was made in Scandinavia) are variations of the same concept. This is especially true since coincidentally Bud Fried and David Hafler were best friends. However I think the line tunnel version came via the IMF Super Compact design done probably by John Wright, the IMF designer.

 

RE: the ones?, posted on November 17, 2020 at 11:01:53
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I spent Many an hour in front of the IMF Monitor IIIs improved. the same friend got the RIIs also. the IMFs never needed a sub (of course) but the RS do for sure.

Wright's deigns continued with the Tesla, I would love to hear them.
...regards...tr

 

RE: the ones?, posted on November 17, 2020 at 20:58:13
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same driver, different bass loading, a good transmission line can go lower. A properly done variovent/line tunnel should do all but the last octave(most of classical music except organs) with exceptional bass control.

 

Guarantee you.., posted on November 18, 2020 at 09:37:01
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The RIIs in my listening room do not need a sub.

The problem is not that there is evil in the world, the problem is that there is good. Because otherwise, who would care?

 

RE: Guarantee you.., posted on November 18, 2020 at 12:25:44
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well, they are satisfying but they don't go down to below 35Hz which may be 6 or more db down. i am used to listening to my friend's big IMF monitors which are FLAT to 16Hz. i just bought and installed a Rythmik sealed 12" servo sub that goes down to 15Hz and i am quite pleased with their musical tonality all the way down like the IMFs.

this is with my Spendor S3/5s. i once had the rogers LA3/5As but found that properly mating a sub was nigh impossible. the flatness of the Spendors in comparison made it possible.

so i have 3 sets of speakers i can rotate, the Rs, Spendors, and MMGs. all need extension at the bottom.
...regards...tr

 

ones?, posted on November 18, 2020 at 16:23:20
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the TDL didn't use the B139 but a similarly shaped ~9x13 CONE with dust cap, not a FLAT diaphragm as on the KEF.

the RII does a nice job with the line tunnel. i was able to compensate with only a bit of boost on the bass control on my SP3a1 preamp.
...regards...tr

 

RE: ones?, posted on November 18, 2020 at 20:36:46
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You're correct about the TDLs but all IMFs with oval drivers used B139s.

 

RE: Fried Model RII. I've got 'em...who else does besides me and HiFiTommy?, posted on November 18, 2020 at 23:29:56
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I have the Model C5, which was the satellite speakers (truncated pyramid like the Wilson puppy) for Bud's Valhalla speakers - maybe his best. Excellent soundstaging, although the low order crossover which was an asset in one sense, may also have been a liability as I think that too much of the woofer's breakup modes comes through. This is the price of trying to play them at loud levels in a larger, well damped room.

 

RE: Separated coils, posted on November 18, 2020 at 23:36:28
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I think that Bud made two separate subs as stands for the satellites and called them Model O. I cannot remember where the transmission exit was for those, but I may have plans for them somewhere.

Retsel

 

I'm pretty much loving the RIIs., posted on November 19, 2020 at 04:19:40
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Plenty of bass, and they're surprisingly fast and detailed, too.

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I don't know that I have any LPs that go that low anyway., posted on November 19, 2020 at 05:24:43
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Maybe one or two. Not enough to justify setting up the sub.
The Maggies will go down to 50, and they don't need a sub either. IN fact, the sub always seemed like overkill in my listening space.
I listen more to how well the bass is articulated. How fast is it? Can I hear the wood of a string bass? Does the kick drum get me in the solar plexus?
If the answer to all is "yes," then the sub stays in storage.

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RE: Separated coils, posted on December 13, 2020 at 19:53:41
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Yes he had a model O and M.
IIRC one had a 10" driver. The other 12".

Heard one of them at Designatron (sp) Setauket, NY.
A long time ago.

 

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