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Posted on October 31, 2020 at 10:03:39
lmaletz@comcast.net
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Any comparisons B&W 802d3 to Magico or Rockport ?
Note 802d3's use diamond tweeters, whereas only more expensive Magico lines do.
Note B&W uses extensively researched carbon-based 'continuum' midrange cones.
Does B&W favor midrange 'bloom' over resolution ?

Thanks for any answers.
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B&W crossover area, posted on October 31, 2020 at 13:26:58
DrChaos
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there is a significant B&W "house sound" after Lawrence Dickie left---they don't control the high frequency dispersion bloom after the crossover to tweeter, unlike KEF and Revel who design to best known quantitative principles.

Basically too bright in the room around there. Since they obviously have technology to do something about it, but it persists through multiple models so it's clearly an intentional choice.

This wasn't the case for the 1980's Matrix speakers, which had---for the time---great performance and were often adopted by professionals for mastering or monitoring acoustic classical.

 

RE: B&W crossover area, posted on October 31, 2020 at 15:48:33
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DrChaos,

Thanks for responding. This subject is of considerable interest to me.
Whatever you mean by 'dispersion bloom', I experienced in abundance what I interpreted as midrange bloom with the 802d2's s such that everything on first audition sounded wonderful and, after further listening, muddy in particular comparison to the d3's....and I have owned the 'original 802's, just before the diamond model. Classical piano served well for this comparison.
I am puzzled by your reference to the KEF loudspeakers. I have not heard Ravel loudspeakers. I found the KEF loudspeakers more than muddy....though I did not audition the 'blades'.
As of now I interpret the B&W 'house sound' as midrange bloom which may be at the expense of clarity, and the high frequencies 'sharp' but with
? rolled off upper end.
So...again....further thoughts appreciated. I am aware that the B&W lead designer had particular sonic goals. I hear also that British speakers are considered 'polite'...whatever that means...does it mean rolled off high frequencies ?


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B&W speakers, posted on November 1, 2020 at 21:57:04
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https://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-802d-loudspeaker-measurements

Look at Fig 5 around 4000 Hz.

And here is a B&W from the 1980's when the top of the line was top of the line.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-matrix-801-series-2-loudspeaker-measurements

 

It's not just B&W with elevated tweeter levels, posted on November 3, 2020 at 14:18:59
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Seems like close to a third of the speakers JA has measured in recent years exhibit a goosed-up treble response, anywhere from 2dB to more than 6dB. Not sure why this design decision is made. In some cases, a model features an exotic tweeter and the designer wants to make it the star of the show. Mostly, I suspect either (1) the designer suffers from HF hearing loss and compensates or (2) the designer assumes the customer suffers from HF hearing loss, and compensates. After all, those of us who still buy real speakers are an aging demographic.

Personally, I don't care for speakers thus "voiced." They quickly become shrill and fatiguing, even if they initially sound "lively" and "exciting." It's why I'm a big fan of quality variable L-pads on tweeters -- you can dial in the treble to precisely suit your room, your tastes, and individual recordings which vary widely in brightness.

 

Depends..., posted on November 6, 2020 at 23:13:40
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on the room environment and the sources being used. I've auditioned the B&W 802 D2 & D3 speakers with Krell, Classe, McIntosh even with the ARC GS 150 tube amp, and as far as I'm concerned I didn't hear anything bright about the presentation. If anything the sound was organic in the midrange and full of resolution with excellent midbass bloom. What I found instead was they do sound a little tizzy when they are an underpowered case in point when it was driven by NAD M22.

The best sounding combination I've heard was when the B&W 802 D3 being driven by the McIntosh MC2KW 3 chassis monoblock, C100 preamp, and the MCD 600 as the source.

I also had the chance to audition the KEF Blade speakers which were driven by Devialet 400 monoblocks from a friend's listening room. The sound was very robust however I find that it lacks that organic attributes in the presentation perhaps this has to do with the Devialet system, I'm not sure.

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RE: Depends..., posted on November 7, 2020 at 13:05:11
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I had the 802's for about a month then sold them.....no it wasn't bright....actually dull and closed in...

 

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