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Posted on July 28, 2010 at 21:31:40
daveyf
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 On a thread at A'gon, there is a discussion as to which tweeter was utilized by Sonus Faber in their
Guarneri Hommage. Most, including myself and in the past Hyperion and almost all reviewers including Martin Colloms and Michael Fremer and others stated it was a modified version of the Dynaudio Esotar driver. Now, it seems that there is some evidence that this was incorrect and the tweet is actually a modified version of the Dynaudio Esotec tweet. ( VERY different driver). Who believes that the driver is the Esotec and who the Esotar? Could all these reviewers and posters here and on A'gon have been wrong over all these years, and could it be that if that is so, the SF factory never bothered to repudiate this mis-information. I am left wandering...your opinion?

 

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RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 29, 2010 at 06:53:53
Godzilla.
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 >>> Dynaudio Esotec tweet.

I never liked my Esotec's and sold them.

 

RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 29, 2010 at 10:28:37
onemug
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 The MC/Stereophile review that I read said that the GH used a "version" of the Esotar tweeter. I suppose that could mean things like: It's not a DE or it is a DE but modified or ?????

My guess is SF had Dynaudio make a special custom Dynaudio Esotar especially for the GH. So it is and it isn't. I just know I love mine.

 

RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 29, 2010 at 20:47:01
Sunya
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 If you look carefully you can read: D28/2 SF GH on the white sticker.

 

RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 29, 2010 at 22:50:29
daveyf
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 This photo is on the SF Club web page. It is the same photo that is now shown on the A'gon discussion thread.
The Dyn Esotar was mentioned in numerous posts and reviews and was stated as being the tweeter driver( but modified) by most dealers of the SF GH's. It certainly is NOT an Esotar in this photo and the question is whether this driver is the driver that is utilized in the GH's. IMHO if it is,( and this seems very likely!!) then SF and all the reviewers of this speaker are guilty of misinforming the public for the last 14+ years!
I can understand how maybe a reviewer or two who didn't do their homework could get it wrong; BUT I cannot understand how a supposedly highly reputable company like SF could allow that kind of misleading information be disseminated through all those years! Very Sad.

 

RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 29, 2010 at 23:43:41
Sunya
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 Hey, as far as I know SF never claimed it used the Esotar, so it's not its fault for the reviewers assumptions (did you see a review where the speaker was opened for inspection?). As for SF not bothering to correct those unsubstantiated claims made by reviewers, why should they if they benefit from them? Pretty cynical, but that's business.

Why don't you take a screwdriver and check the tweeter yourself?

 

Why Does This Matter?, posted on July 30, 2010 at 09:01:25
Mike Porper
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 Isn't the sound of the speakers the thing that matters? Who care what tweeter they've used? They could have used a Schpaztle Crappola Blop Tweeter, for all it matters, as long as the final sound of the speakers is outstanding.

OTOH, maybe I've gotten it wrong. Perhaps it's the parts used that counts. Yep, that's the most important thing. The sound? If it's any good, than that's a bonus.

 

Sonus faber has been master of marketing and stretcher of truth for long time., posted on July 30, 2010 at 09:09:20
Edp
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 Biggest myth?

first order crossovers, then called "first order assisted", then "first order electrical response". Few were truely a first order and even had drivers in mixed polarity attached to these circuits.

Now they have made very fine responding speakers, and are truely worth owning, they are not alone in "marketing" when speaking on technical items.

 

RE: Why Does This Matter?, posted on July 30, 2010 at 09:16:02
daveyf
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 Mike, I agree that in the end it is the sound that matters most. I love my SF GH's, I think they are some of the best looking and sounding speakers I have ever heard.
Nonetheless, one doesn't like to be misled when one is making an expensive purchase.As an analogy, let's say you went out and bought a Ferrari, you expected and were told by your Ferrari dealer that your car had a V12 Ferrari engine. After 14 years you find out that in fact your Ferrari
uses a V8 Chev 350 disguised as a Ferrari V12 . Nothing wrong with the Chev motor, gives you the same power and performance as the Ferrari V12; thing is that's NOT what you paid for. How do you feel now? Get my point?

 

RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 30, 2010 at 10:06:23
daveyf
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 Sunya,
I forgot, because it's Good Business that makes it right. ARE YOU SERIOUS!!
Take a screwdriver and check the tweeter myself, RIGHT!

 

RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on July 30, 2010 at 10:48:23
Sunya
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 Good business is a profitable business and if to them it's more profitable not to deny the reviewer's claims, then they won't bother doing it, don't be such a puritan...

And I was serious about taking a screwdriver and unscrew those 4 screws that hold in place the tweeter, it's not brain surgery you know...

Elipsa


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Excellent Analogy [nt], posted on July 30, 2010 at 12:01:27
Mike Porper
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RE: Sonus Faber tweeters, posted on August 1, 2010 at 08:09:24
theaudiohobby
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 Given that Sonus Faber has never officially stated that the Guarneri Homage uses a Dynaudio Esotar tweeter they can hardly be expected to publicly deny a myth that helps the sales of the speaker. If the incident is indeed true, it speaks to the general quality of audio reviews where reviewers recant urban myths by the dozen without ever thinking of validating such claims.

Music making the painting, recording it the photograph

 

"General quality of audio reviews" is like average body temperature of all patients in a hospital., posted on August 2, 2010 at 13:10:59
carcass93
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 For instance, when we have meaningless "reviews" done by deaf old moron(s) in The Audio Critic - what does that tell us about general quality of audio reviews?

Nothing, thankfully...

 

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