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Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!

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Posted on April 16, 2015 at 08:13:38
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Here's a quandary - most manufacturers of Schumann Frequency devices including the first for audio applications, Acoustic Revive's R-77, point to the Schumann frequency as acting on the listener to put him in a more relaxed state. Well, guess what? It's actually the Alpha Wave not the Schumann wave that has a long history of placing humans in a relaxed mental state. Exhibit 1 are these paragraphs from the wiki page for Alpha waves,

"Alpha waves are neural oscillations in the frequency range of 7.5-12.5 Hz[1] arising from synchronous and coherent (in phase or constructive) electrical activity of thalamic pacemaker cells in humans. They are also called Berger's wave in memory of the founder of EEG.

Because of alpha waves' connection with relaxed mental states, increase in alpha wave activity is a desirable outcome for some types of biofeedback training. EEG can be used to provide the subject with feedback when alpha waves increase, enabling some individuals to consciously increase alpha wave activity.

There are several different prospects of this training that are currently being explored. Arguably, the most popular one is the use of this training in meditation. Zen-trained meditation masters produce noticeably more alpha waves during meditation. This fact has led to a popular trend of biofeedback training programs for everyday stress relief. Citation: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread711504/pg"

So, it appears we have a dilemma, either the Schumann (fundamental) frequency of 7.83 Hz is the WRONG FREQUENCY for audio applications or it's a COINCIDENCE that the Schumann frequency is in the range of Alpha wave frequencies, as you can plainly see. So, the next step is obviously for some enterprising individual to build hisself an Alpha Wave generator. Oh, wait! They already make them. So, the next step now is to see if an Alpha wave generator works for audio applications. And since the Alpha wave Is VARIABLE, I.e., between 7.5 and 12.5 Hz, unlike the Schumann wave, one need obtain an Alpha wave generator with a variable Frequncy adjustment knob. And I'm going out on a limb and predicting yes, it will work. That is, assuming that the Acoustic Revive explanation for their Schumann frequency generator is correct, which I'm actually not sure it is. I'm not saying the device doesn't work, however.

Extra credit - there is a rumor that's been floating around for quite a while that NASA had at least one Schumann Frequency Generator built for the Space Shuttle and that it/they were on board some missions because NASA says the Schumann Frequncy relaxed the astronauts while in space. While this rumor might possibly sell more Schumann wave generators it's probably not true, at least I have found no evidence of it, and I've looked. If anyone can provide good evidence of NASA putting a Schumann generator on the shuttle or any other type of craft please post here. Remember Google is your friend.

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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 20, 2015 at 11:54:07
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OK you need to buy one of these at the link. Adjustable frequency and gain and waveform type! Somebody should that has more money than me! Inquiring minds want to know!


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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 20, 2015 at 12:22:06
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I downloaded the Android app Binaural Beat Player, an Alpha wave generator for cell phones and tablets which is free and have been playing around with it for a couple days. The frequencies are adjustable for headphones only from 7 to 12 Hz. Did you miss the part about the Schumann frequency being embedded with the Alpha frequencies?

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 20, 2015 at 13:11:29
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alpha is 7.5-12.5 right? The unit I linked has adjustable output frequency, waveform and gain.

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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 20, 2015 at 14:55:28
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Yeah, yeah. But you're kind of Missing my point. You're close. Very close.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 20, 2015 at 16:00:52
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I'm too stoopid to figure it out, you're going to have to just spell it out.

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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 20, 2015 at 17:05:23
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OK, what I was trying to insinuate that the so called relaxing frequency of 7.83 Hz is a Schumann frequency that's true. But it's also an Alpha frequency. Why don't they just call,it Alpha instead of Schumann? That's all I'm saying. And for Schumann units that have frequency variable control knobs what are you changing the frequency to? Other Alpha Frequncies. Capish? It's the Alpha waves that historically are the ones associated with meditation, relaxed states, especially conscious relaxed states. Thus one only need entrainment of the old noggin using the FREE Alpha Wave app for what a month 30 minutes a day or so and you'll be in a permanent state of BLISS.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 21, 2015 at 14:54:08
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fact finally sink in to brain. Now me know.


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Hialeah!, posted on April 21, 2015 at 15:57:19
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RE: Hialeah!, posted on April 23, 2015 at 07:16:29
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lol! Well done.

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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 26, 2015 at 11:47:35
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Geof,
THIRD possibility.
You say either coincidence or wrong frequency? right?

But a THIRD possibility exists. Humans 'grew up' (evolved, if you will) while SUBMERGED in the Schumann field. So you have 2 different things which you are mixing.
The Schumann field / frequency is a product of EARTH while the Alpha wave frequency is built into people. Maybe other mammals, as well?

But, I think the Alpha Wave being at a similar freuqncy to the Schumann resonance is by design and evolution. NOT some weird occurance.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 26, 2015 at 16:16:53
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So, even if man evolved with the Schumann frequency what does it have to do with improving the sound? If it's because the subconscious or conscious is more relaxed then Alpha waves say 10Hz or 12 Hz should suffice, no? Why is the Schumann frequency not the same as it always was? It's still being produced naturally.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 26, 2015 at 17:02:07
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I have no idea
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I don't believe in coincidence
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So, when schumann and alpha agree…….I have look for WHY,
So, when schumann and alpha agree…….I have to look for WHY.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 26, 2015 at 17:07:13
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 26, 2015 at 18:03:48
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Not so.
They ARE the same frequency which does NOT make them the 'same'.
Alpha waves exist in the BRAIN while the Schumann resonance is a function of EARTH, its mass, composition and physical attributes.

My car takes the same TIRE size as your car. Does that make it the same car?

As near as I know, when someone eventually makes it to MARS, the Alpha rhythm of the brain will remain fundamentally unchanged while IF Mars has an inherent planetary resonance, chances are it WON'T be at the Shumann / Alpha frequency. I believe humans inherited the alpha frequency FROM the Earth.

Did you ever see the RUSSIAN version of Solaris? I suspect part of the problem with the astro/cosmo nauts was the interaction of the planetary brainwave with the INTERNAL brainwave of the humans.

The next part of this non-conversation should involve GAEA. I suspect the UNIVERSE has a resonant frequency, as well, and it is VERY low indeed. The Voice of God.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 26, 2015 at 18:10:45
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Earth Changes. Schumann frequency should change as well.
We have a VERY short history of even the possibility to measure it.
Maybe 10 or 20 or even 100 million or a BILLION years ago, it was a different value. I'd pretty much guarantee THAT.
And Since we don't know exactly what CAUSES it, we also don't know why or WHAT would change it.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 07:11:39
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Well, actually, we have a pretty good idea what causes it. What would change it is a change in the Earth's circumference since, you know, that's what produces the wavelength, thus frequency, of the wave. And I have a sneaking suspicion that ain't going to change any time soon.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 07:23:43
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The Schumann devices work on the brain, even according to Acoustic Revive. What else would the Schumann frequency be doing to the brain besides relaxing it or placing it in a special state of relaxation, consciously or unconsciously? If that's how the Schumann wave works, then it is for all intent and purposes the same as the Alpha wave at 7.83 Hz. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it's a duck.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 08:49:07
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Alpha DOES NOT = Schumann

Same frequency, generally, though the Alpha DOES vary. Humans perceive light and sound, too, yet nobody has claimed that sight is light or hearing is sound.

Alpha has a biological origin while Schumann has a physical / astronomical in origin. It WOULD appear that the alpha was 'impressed' on the human brain.

Do ANY OTHER mammals have such a brainwave? Any research out there?

And Wrong again, Geof, the Schumann CAN vary over long time periods. Apparently the frequency is based on the 'cavity' size of the resonant space. IF you assume that the size of this cavity varies as a function of both atmostpheric composition AND height of the Ionisphere, than the frequency will indeed vary. It has been a stable measure since the final formation of the currrent atmosphere. Maybe it varied when the oxygen content were far higher. Amplitude varies as well, maybe as a function of the AMOUNT of electrical activity in the atmosphere and maybe, just maybe, some relation to solar flares and other solar activity.

It would seem that even TESLA was aware of this resonance and he wanted to take advantage of it in his world broadcast power scheme.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 09:06:17
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No, actually, I'm correct. The wavelength of 7.83 Hz is based on the length of the waveguide which in this case is the circumference of the Earth. In addition, when Schumann discovered the wave in the early '50s, guess what, the frequency was 7.83 Hz, same as it is today. Same as it ever was. Hahahaha. Now I'm not saying there can't be small fluctuations, possibly, - after all 7.83 is itself an approximate number - due to say very small variations in the speed of light through the atmosphere but I certainly wouldn't expect to see the number vary by more than a few thousandths. Furthermore, the Acoustic Revive RR-888 is superior to the earlier models because, guess what, it's MORE ACCURATE, more accurate with respect to 7.83 Hz. Hel-loooo!

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 11:45:31
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I don't care about 'who is more accurate'. big Deal on Acoustic revive vs 'other'.

Based on a recognized value for Earth's Circumference = 24901 miles, the resonant frequency should be about 7.841hz, not the 7.83 oft quoted. The difference is greater than 1/10 of 1% and is well within measurement accuracy. Maybe around .14%? Also, Since the Earth is not a perfect sphere, THAT may introduce some 'wiggle' to the measurement.

And yes, Geof, Earth does indeed get larger over time. The simple accretion of Meteor 'stuff' assures THAT. Not much, but over several Billion years, it DOES add up. I don't know how it plays into the Schumann Resonance, but Earth's electrical activity has varied a quite a bit over long time periods, as well.

And just for shits 'n giggles? WHO measured the Schumann Resonance in times past? Grog the Caveman? Cheops? Eratosthenes? Hemiunu?

You are making an assumption on tenuous grounds.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 12:08:39
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Geez, I haven't seen so much niggling in several weeks. Just admit you're wrong and let's call it a day.

 

RE: Schumann frequency, posted on April 27, 2015 at 12:34:09
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is based on the fact that the earth's surface and the upper limit o the ionosphere form a wave guide. The ionosphere can and often does change.

 

Huh?, posted on April 27, 2015 at 12:59:15
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So what if the ionosphere "changes"? - the circumference of the waveguide doesn't change. And that's what determines the wavelength and frequency, since the speed of light is essentially constant below the ionosphere. The waveguide is actually the space between the Earth's surface and the beginning of the ionosphere that we're talking about, not the ionosphere itself. So, you can throw out anything about the ionosphere.

 

RE: Huh?, posted on April 27, 2015 at 14:06:15
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I know it is advanced reasoning BUT, if the diameter of the ionosphere changes, then the 'edge' would change, too. And therefore the diameter.
ALL this stuff, from size of the Earth to the various fields surrounding it CHANGE. It would also appear that a HUGE blast of solar radiation can alter the size / shape of the ionosphere, though short term.

And Geof, a serious question:
IF you already 'know' so much, why bother asking? Lording over your huge ego and 'education'?

You ask a question than belittle ALL answers which don't agree with yours. Also, you ask 'mystery' questions than if nobody has 'the' answer, you use that as justification for your superiority. How can you get thru a normal sized door?

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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 14:14:15
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You say a bunch of stuff which is either un proven or unprovable.
Than when I point out some real information you call me for 'niggling'.
What ever THAT is, coming from you as an assertion, it can't be good.

You still haven't told me how you KNOW the Schumann resonance frequency hasn't changed, though I'll concede it's been the same since at least the first day of the 20th century.
It seems clear that the Mass of the Earth rises over long time periods. No data exists for the size of the ionosphere over long time periods, even torturing Old Kingdom Egyptian or more recent Myan data.


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Oh, geez, posted on April 27, 2015 at 14:30:38
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OK, let's say you're right and the diameter of the ionosphere does change. Let's say for the sake of argument it changes as much as two miles, OK. Even then, the diameter of the trough that's approximately the circumference of the Earth wouldn't change more than what about .0001% or whatever.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 14:46:50
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All I'm saying is when it was first discovered in 1952 or whenever Schumann measured it as 7.83 Hz. It is still measured as 7.83 Hz. When it changes let me know. Meanwhile I'll say it's 7.83 Hz. I don't really speculate about what it might have been before it was discovered or what it might be in a thousand years.

 

RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 27, 2015 at 15:59:47
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Lets say the diameter of the ionosphere changes by 10% or MORE.
And changes SHAPE to maybe ovoid when a blast of solar wind hits it.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 27, 2015 at 18:56:35
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Not that it matters, but I'd say TESLA knew about it at least 50 years or so earlier. I doubt he had the means to measure the frequency to 3 points of decimal.

And you DID seem to indicate this was an invariant number. Both without a lick of evidence and without referring to planetary history as is known today.

Sheer Speculation Alert: IF the Alpha wave IS locked into the Schumann resonance, than WHY would it appear that the Alpha wave can be measured as high as 12 hz or so? Maybe at the dawn of life, the frequency was higher and has been dropping VERY slowly ever since?
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RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 00:09:47
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Here is a quote from a site which I didn't know about when writing about frequency change of the Schumann Resonance.


There are also +/-0.5 Hz variations in the center frequency, caused by a diurnal increase in ionization of the ionosphere as a result of radiation from the sun, having the effect of reducing the height of the ionosphere at 12 local time. Another factor which influences center frequency is sunspot activity.

The rest of the site is pretty interesting, too.
I might add that the suns output will grow over the next couple billion years. THIS should also have an effect on the Schumann resonance as well as rendering the Earth a barren desert before eventually getting swallowed up by the sun.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 28, 2015 at 01:52:06
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Schumann + Alpha = The Barnhouse Effect...

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 28, 2015 at 03:50:09
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I never said the Alpha wave is locked into the Schumann wave. Duh! What I actually said was the Schumann wave is in the range of Alpha waves which is about 7-12 Hz. That was actually my whole point in starting this thread! A Schumann wave is actually an Alpha wave. Duh!

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 05:20:59
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Yeah, I can you see you sitting there adjusting the frequency to within a half a cycle while checking the latest diurnal ebb and flow in ionization data from the National Weather Service like a monkey on crack. Lol

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 28, 2015 at 07:00:33
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Obviously.

 

RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 28, 2015 at 07:15:19
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Well, I dunno, what makes you think it would change 10%? Your wild imagination? Even if the starting altitude of the Ionosphere changed 10% the geometry of the Earth's circumference ensures that will have virtually no effect on the Schumann frequency or wavelength. You Remember geometry, right?

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 09:48:57
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You've got QUITE an imagination.

Fact is, the Schumann Resonance DOES vary, both short and long term.
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RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 28, 2015 at 09:57:54
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Since the frequency apparently depends on the distance BETWEEN Earth and the ionosphere, I'd say the frequency WILL change. = 2 conductors seperated by an insulator?
I'm certain you read the article I linked? Or had someone read it TO you between wall bounces?

Which of the Alphabet Soup of ionosphere layers is the primary reflector?
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RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 10:23:26
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Yeah, right, it varies between 7.827 and 7.834. I always said 7.83 is an approximate number.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 13:48:19
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Don't get me wrong. The 'discovery' of the Schumann Resonance is a very big item which IMO has NOT reached the peak of significance yet.
I'd love to be able to confirm some notes I read which say such generators are on either the space station or WERE on the shuttle. I've also read where OTHER mammals ALSO are locked into this frequency.

Are there ANY DIY versions or schematics?

And as a complete sidenote, I wonder how much Tesla would have changed history IF he had succeeded in establishing a world wide power grid, which apparently would have REINFORCED the natural resonance and maybe 'soothed' the entire planet at once? Talk about Behavior Modification!
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RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 13:56:50
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I used to work for NASA and I'm also pretty damn good at Internet searches. Trust me, NASA never used Schumann devices, supposedly on the Shuttle. I was fooled for about ten seconds by all the New Age and Health sites that talk about NASA having a Schumann generator. It's what we call an old wives tale. Hel-looo!

The tale:

In 1962, the National Bureau of Standards division' of Radio Propagation reported the actual physical detection and instrumental recordings of these signals; and as predicted, tracings were indistinguishable from human brain waves.

Unfortunately, very little is publicly known about this biological signal, although NASA has been using this knowledge to protect astronauts while they are outside the earth's natural source. The physical condition of early astronauts deteriorated severely while in outer space, away from the Schumann Resonance. The problem was solved by introducing the 'Schumann Simulator' into all space shuttles, a magnetic pulse generator mimicking the Earth's frequency. This demonstrates the simple fact that we cannot be healthy if disconnected from the "natural biological frequency." Mike Korell

How is that for interesting? This familiar resonance pattern works at affecting our moods and well-being. I found it very interesting that NASA actually created a device that can mimic the Earth's frequency to keep astronauts in a good state of mind.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/94567/how_schumanns_resonance_affects_you.html?cat=58

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on April 28, 2015 at 16:32:47
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No longer an 'Old Wives Tale'.
I don't know the NEW name for 'Truth By Internet' but I suspect that large amounts of Politics, Pyramids, Diet Supplements and UFO stuff is all fabricated, made up or simple delusion.

So, it comes as NO surprise if a Schumann Generator on the Space Station is made up stuff.
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RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 28, 2015 at 20:25:14
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Should be aware the planet is a flattened ovoid. N/S circumference is smaller than equatorial. Difference in diameter is about 50 miles, IIRC.

 

RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 28, 2015 at 20:36:58
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It's NOT an Oblate spheroid? That's what I always thought!

Yes, of course. This fact was apparently known to even the Ancient Egyptians. The length of degree varies as a function of Latitude. There exists a regular additive series which expresses this change.
We can talk about Egyptian Cubits, if you like, or even the ancient measure of Stadium, which is apparently 185 meters or 1/10 minute of arc.

Modern 'shape of Earth' stuff revolves around whose 'spheroid' you use as reference.

When I talk about the shape of the Ionosphere, it is NOT conformal to the shape of the Earth, but rather responds to the Solar Wind, as well. At a particular point on Earth, the Schumann Resonance measure will change as a function of time of day and solar orientation.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 28, 2015 at 20:39:05
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No, you just said 'Alpha = Schumann' about 50 times.
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RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 28, 2015 at 21:20:24
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Also length of a waveguide is determined by the length if the center line between two surfaces

 

RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 29, 2015 at 00:30:16
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'start' of ionosphere varies by who you read. I don't even know hi / lo numbers but for purposes of this discussion, doesn't make much difference.

What DOES matter, and is unknowable, is the long-term history of the resonance frequency. Apparently long enough that mammals are responsive to it, though variations in Alpha Wave frequency MAY indicate other factors at play or even a change in frequency over long time periods.

I'm searching for an EASY to build Schumann Generator. I've seen one using a 555 but the coil / inductor part of the discussion was lacking.

Any tips in this regard are appreciated. This is one avenue which seems worth exploring.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 29, 2015 at 02:59:23
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Do I have to spell it out - you can't read. That is the whole point of the OP.

 

That's rich, posted on April 29, 2015 at 04:16:29
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50 miles would show up in the second decimal place of the Schumann frequency and even then only by about one or two hundredths. That's the worst case. Big deal. The diameter of the earth at the equator is 7,926.41 miles (12,756.32 kilometers). But, if you measure the earth through the poles the diameter is a bit shorter - 7,901 miles (12,715.43 km). A difference of only .003. Hel-loo!

More to the point even if there were some small difference in frequency say between Alaska and Australia, for a stationary person anywhere on the Earth the frequency would be stable. Nobody said there is absolutely zero variation, it's just that it's negligible. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 29, 2015 at 10:23:51
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I'm on record:
It IS the same frequency but NOT the 'same thing'.


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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on April 29, 2015 at 11:49:06
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Uh, if it's the same frequency and the same wavelength, it's the same thing. Exactly the same thing. It is what it is. You can call it Shirley if it pleases you.

 

RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 30, 2015 at 14:27:40
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The other issue ignored thus far is that the Schumann frequency is the lowest base line frequency. The planet's surface does not follow Euclidean geometry. An electrical Schumann occurrence will not necessarily follow the longest path (across the center line of the planet), but will go in all directions, hence we will have many higher frequencies with the shorter wavelengths.

 

RE: Oh, geez, posted on April 30, 2015 at 14:47:37
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Yes, and they also do NOT appear to be 'harmonically' related to the 'fundamental'.
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Oh, dear, posted on April 30, 2015 at 16:16:42
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You must be referring to the partials. You guys can't even Google right. Lol

"In the normal mode descriptions of Schumann resonances, the fundamental mode is a standing wave in the Earth-ionosphere cavity with a wavelength equal to the circumference of the Earth. This lowest-frequency (and highest-intensity) mode of the Schumann resonance occurs at a frequency of approximately 7.83 Hz, but this frequency can vary slightly from a variety of factors, such as solar-induced perturbations to the ionosphere, which comprises the upper wall of the closed cavity.[citation needed] The higher resonance modes are spaced at approximately 6.5 Hz intervals,[citation needed] a characteristic attributed to the atmosphere's spherical geometry. The peaks exhibit a spectral width of approximately 20% on account of the damping of the respective modes in the dissipative cavity. The 8th partial lies at approximately 60 Hz.[citation needed]"

 

RE: Oh, dear, posted on April 30, 2015 at 17:19:48
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"In normal mode descriptions", ....

It doesn't say that it is the only mode. The fundamental mode is always the lowest frequency, QED.
The passage quoted totally ignores other possible pathways for the source of the Schumann disturbances.


Oh Yeah, 60 hz as the 8th partial is certainly way beyond the percentages you were quoting.

 

Dear Lord, posted on May 1, 2015 at 03:55:40
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What are you referring to? If you believe there are fundamental modes other than 7.83 Hz by all means provide evidence. Just repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't really do much good. You can even cut and paste if you prefer, you know, if you don't know off the top of your head. Of there are other fundamental frequencies why does the Acoustic Revive device utilize ONLY 7.83 Hz? Not only that but the new RR-888 device actually generates the 7.83 Hz frequency MORE ACCURATELY.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on May 1, 2015 at 20:31:04
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You're nuts.
And in a later post you make a BIG DEAL about some Schumann generator being 'more accurate'!

7.83+- 5% is probably WAY good enough. After all, the Alpha frequency varies far more than that.

After some thought and reading a few reviews, I suspect more important than hitting 'the' frequency ON THE NOSE, is the ability to adjust the output to YOU the user.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on May 2, 2015 at 03:23:32
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The Alpha wave is NOT a single frequency - it's a range of frequencies - whereas the Schumann frequency is, at least the fundamental, is. That's the whole point of the OP. Hel-looo! I am getting the feeling you're not paying close attention as the new device from Acoustic Revive the RR-888 is stated to be more uh ACCURATE than it's predecessors, not to mention more POWERFUL. I suspect Acoustic Revive is a better judge than you with respect to what the requirements are for accuracy. You're very good at speculating, I notice.

Actually as fate would have it the placement of the Schumann device is probably more critical than the accuracy of the frequency. As per Acoustic Revive's web site regarding the RR-888,

"RR-888 should never be in direct contact with other devices. When you connect the RR-888 to the wall receptacle with the AC adapter (included), you set the RR-888 at a height of over 1m50cm in your room. If the height of the location of the RR-888 is less than 1m50cm, the effect becomes less, therefore, you must make sure of the height of the setting position. If the height is obtained, then the other angles are less important, however you may experiment to find the best overall position in your room."

Extra Credit: see if you can come up with an explanation why the height of the device is critical. Feel free to speculate.

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on May 2, 2015 at 10:04:14
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Isn't that the rub here? You suggest some brand is best because of accuracy. 7.83xxxxx or whatever.
Well, if the 'target' frequency varies so much than WHY bother with such an accurate oscillator?
It would make more sense to have it adjustible to EACH user and for how each persons frequency varies over time, be that hours, days. or a lifetime.

Placement of the device? Sure. Getting that right is worth experiment. And may take a little time.

You are such a condescending schmuck it is amazing. You posit 'questions' to which only you in your benificince have answers than get on the ole high horse when answers are not forthcoming. I'll bet when you worked for NASA that you were in charge of O-Rings.

UPON reflection, I'll contend that repeatability is more important than sheer 'accuracy' to a frequency of unknown value.
If I hit the 'sweet spot' by whatever means in adjusting the frequency, I'd sure like to find it again next time I turned the device ON.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on May 2, 2015 at 10:14:54
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It's not each person's frequency. The reason some decides have a tuning knob is mist likely because they aren't accurate so you need to fine tune them to 7.83. Unlike Alpha frequencies that ARE produced by the brain. The entire theory of why the Schumann Frequency is important from an evolutionary point of view and why it affects the sound and vision is based in the idea that the frequency has always been about the same, I.e. 7.83 Hz. That's why it has not changed at all since Schumann discovered it in 1952. We always responded to the same frequency. Is it a "pilot wave," something we need to survive. Who the hell knows?

 

RE: Schumann frequency - Variation, posted on May 2, 2015 at 10:22:49
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In my reading 'reviews' of such devices, it is clear that response varies from little to lots.
I'm not going to speculate about WHY you'd want some variability, but I think it isn't a bad idea. But for me? If I had the means, I'd replace the potentiometer with a stepped 1% resistor ladder of custom values so I could TUNE to several frequencies and go back to them with good repeatability.

One company offers to 'mark 7.83hz.' on the tuning dial for a slight additional charge!
My Meter has a frequency input which I may check somehow. Perhaps a tone CD and check at my speaker inputs? I have no idea and dont want to smoke the meter since I DO use the Type-K thermocouple input as a data point for my BBQ Grill.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on May 14, 2015 at 11:56:56
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I can't, in a quick scan, find any information about mammalian brain waves. IF mammals SHARE the alpha wave frequency than that would argue for such a frequency going WAY back to the dawn of mammals.
That Reptiles apparently do NOT have this built in has implications, too.
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on May 18, 2015 at 18:23:40
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I did a cursory search and found mention of alpha waves in non-human primates and canines. I suspect they are present in all mammals. OTOH I could not find any mention of their existence in reptiles. While this could be due to superficiality of my search, I suspect it is due to the fact that reptiles lack a neocortex and isocortex.



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That's very interesting., posted on May 21, 2015 at 17:00:04
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What do you think the significance is?

 

It's a no-brainer :) nt, posted on May 22, 2015 at 17:47:02
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RE: Schumann frequency - Houston, we have a problem!, posted on May 23, 2015 at 04:42:51
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That's very bad news for the Geico gekko, one assumes.

 

If they lack an occipital lobe you're home free. Nt, posted on May 25, 2015 at 13:17:10
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Why Schumann?, posted on June 16, 2015 at 13:12:45
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Could we try a different composer, by chance?
   

 

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