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cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO

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Posted on May 5, 2008 at 12:31:58
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cPlay

The open source high-end audio player using ASIO

May 2008

cPlay delivers high quality audio playback using ASIO 2. Playback is achieved using any ASIO compatible soundcard. cPlay is a minimalist audio player using the latest high quality SRC resampler (Best Sinc SNR 145.68db or 121.33db) or SoX (VHQ or HQ). cPlay's design offers state-of-the-art ASIO-only playback and caters for touch screen users. Installation, setup and use is easy. cPlay is built in c/c++ and operates on Windows XP SP2 Professional (32 bit).

FEATURES

  1. Resampling is sourced from LibSampleRate (version 0.1.5) and SoX 14.2.0 under GNU GPL license. LibSampleRate is aka SRC (Secret Rabbit Code) and supersedes the version as used in foobar2000. Best Sinc converter now offers a SNR of 145.68db or 121.33db (versus 97db). SoX VHQ offers better than 170db SNR. Resampling is bypassed when input rate matches output.

  2. Supports Steinberg's excellent ASIO 2 and is backward compatible to prior ASIO versions (as required by ASIO drivers).

  3. Offers high quality 64 bit double precision digital volume control (in 0.5db steps). This can be bypassed.

  4. Playback is achieved through .cue, .wav or .flac files. cPlay loads entire .wav or .flac (decoded) into RAM before starting. Playback is done directly from cPlay's internal buffer. Cue playback requires .cue files as created by EAC (single or multi file standard).

  5. Ensures efficient CPU resource utilization allowing for low specification processors or high levels of upsampling. This means CPUs can be underclocked / undervolted.

  6. Supports up to 3 ASIO soundcards with each having up to 100 output channels.

  7. Advanced optimizations are applied (if available from ASIO driver) during playback.

  8. Best results achieved when using cMP (i.e. cMP²). This allows for low level Windows optimizations. Use cMP release 1.0 final or later as this allows for bypassing RAM load in cMP (set RAM Load in cMP Settings to No) otherwise wav file is RAM loaded twice. cPlay allows for both svchost and lsass to be suspended during playback thus reducing the Windows footprint. Only exception is EMU's ASIO driver which requires both (svchost and lsass) to be operational. Set cMP's Optimize setting to Critical.

  9. Full remote control is achieved with cMP: offering volume control, track navigation, next/previous and stop/eject via (wireless) mouse.

USER MANUAL

Visit cMP² website (http://www.cicsMemoryPlayer.com) for more details and setup.

Screen Shot




GETTING STARTED

Download cPlay's installer here (1.3MB). Installation and startup is straight forward.

If you don't have an ASIO compatible soundcard, use ASIO4ALL. Note that ASIO4ALL does not support channel mapping (use default) and rarely handles above 48k sample rate.

Your feedback will help guide cPlay's future development. Source code (4.1MB) is available via email.

 

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IMPORTANT note for nLite users.., posted on December 2, 2011 at 02:23:41
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As i mentioned earlier, i was facing issues with latency boosts when installing from my nLite disc. I had followed Rick's method of creating the nLite install disc. I guess he must be using a single core processor. But as we are using a MultiCore i3 processor, we need to retain the "Multi-Processor" support under 'Components'. I created my nLite install disc again with the above method, & my issue is resolved. If its removed from the disc, u will have standard install & i guess it creates latency issues with the MoBo...
Only if the Multi-Processor support is retained, the Computer-Type can be selected as "Acpi Multiprocessor Pc", which in our case is a must..!!
Attached is a snapshot of the same...

Junaid

 

can I have one?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 03:17:34
steppe
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 Junaid! I was going just to start. can You upload once again?
Serge.

 

RE: can I have one?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 03:21:13
Jolida
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 Sure...
Will start now..!! U will receive my email once its uploaded..

Junaid

 

RE: can I have one?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 04:20:05
steppe
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 Junaid! Thank You!

 

RE: Bitch Batch Will Be A Bitch, indeed., posted on December 2, 2011 at 04:25:25
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 Right you are! That's what I get for writing from memory.

 

RE: can I have one?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 04:28:32
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 I have uploaded the ISO & emailed u the download link...

Junaid

 

nLite Disc, posted on December 2, 2011 at 05:07:51
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 Made a new install with an nLite disc. Sounds entirely different..

Junaid

 

Thank you!, posted on December 2, 2011 at 05:25:11
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 I alraedy have it. Starting. Will report. Meanwhile, if You have patience and time, Junaid, can you, please, try to find in the Internet the way to set in the registry here:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management
the following parameter EnableLargePages or smth like this. It has to do with awe and is easily done in windows 7 and Vista and windows 2003, it CAN be done in xp. but I don't exactly know the right syntax. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, I assure You!
Serge.
Microsoft is very "slippery " and "slimy" about this thing.
We can do it just adding 1, But we need the way to establish a size in mb.

 

Here u Go.., posted on December 2, 2011 at 05:39:40
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 Here u go...

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938581.aspx

But be careful as well:-

http://tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/supertweaks11.htm

Junaid

 

RE: nLite Disc, posted on December 2, 2011 at 06:01:19
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 Thanks Junaid, great!
What did you include / exclude?
Is it a startup like RickMcInnis described? Or are already some steppes/BitchBatch involved?
Douwe

 

RE: Thank you!, posted on December 2, 2011 at 06:10:50
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 Is this it

NonPagedPoolSize REG_DWORD Number of bytes


Default: 0
Specifies the size of nonpaged pool in bytes. When this value is 0, the system uses the default size (based on physical memory). The maximum amount is about 80 percent of physical memory.
PagedPoolSize REG_DWORD 0 to 128 MB


Default: 0x3000000 (32 MB)
Specifies the size of paged pool in bytes. When this value is 0, the system uses the default size (32 MB). See also the entry for RegistrySizeLimit at the beginning of this section.
PagingFiles REG_MULTI_SZ System_Paging_Files


Default: C:\pagefile.sys 27
Specifies page file information set by choosing the System icon in Control Panel.

 

Or is this it?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 06:26:55
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 Optimizing Your Memory Configuration




The default memory-management settings for your system are optimal in most situations and do not need to be changed. However, the system can provide a much larger working set and additional virtual address space for the system cache if some settings are manually tuned. These settings include the following registry entries in the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control \Session Manager\Memory Management subkey:

LargeSystemCache . A value of 1 maximizes the size of the system cache's working set and, with PagedPoolSize set to 192000000 and SystemPages set to 0, provides a large virtual address space for the cache, provided that Terminal Services and the /3GB switch are not used. In addition, the maximum working set and large virtual address space for the file system cache are unavailable if Driver Verifier, a tool for testing kernel drivers, is enabled with the special pool. For information about Driver Verifier, see the Driver Development Kits link on the Web Resources page at http://windows.microsoft.com/windows2000/reskit/webresources .


PagedPoolSize . Changing this to 0xFFFFFFFF or leaving it at the default of 0 maximizes the size of the virtual address space used for the paged pool. To set aside extended virtual address space for the file system cache, change this value to 192000000, set LargeSystemCache to 1, and set SystemPages to 0.


SystemPages . Changing this to 0xFFFFFFFF provides an additional 464 MB of system page table entries for the virtual address space. Notice that making this change prevents expanding the system cache by 464 MB (limiting it to 512 MB) and limits the paged pool size to 192 MB, provided PagedPoolSize is not set to 0xFFFFFFFF to obtain the maximum virtual address space for the paged pool.


Notice that you have the option of changing the settings for LargeSystemCache in the user interface (using the Server Optimization tab in File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks properties). However, you can only change the settings of SystemPages , PagedPoolSize , and NonPagedPoolSize using a registry editor.

Caution

Do not use a registry editor to edit the registry directly unless you have no alternative. The registry editors bypass the standard safeguards provided by administrative tools. These safeguards prevent you from entering conflicting settings or settings that are likely to degrade performance or damage your system. Editing the registry directly can have serious, unexpected consequences that can prevent the system from starting and require that you reinstall Windows 2000. To configure or customize Windows 2000, use the programs in Control Panel or Microsoft Management Console (MMC) whenever possible.

If you are using Terminal Services or your system is configured to start with the /3GB switch, these features consume the extra virtual address space that you might otherwise allocate to the system cache or the paged pool and that space is unavailable.

The above was taken from Microsoft site see link.




 

RE: nLite Disc, posted on December 2, 2011 at 06:39:07
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 It's a minimalistic Xp install disc. Burn the ISO to a CD & install Xp using it. It's already optimised eliminating 70% of the components in a regular Xp installation. After installing Xp using the nLite disc, install Ur chipset & soundcard drivers, & do cics optimisations..



Junaid

 

Thanks Junaid!!!! nt, posted on December 2, 2011 at 07:06:10
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So, again, what did you leave in?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 07:31:32
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 Just curious if you left more "in" than the three things I kept.

And if you did, WHY?

 

Extremely useful info (and registry argument), posted on December 2, 2011 at 07:41:11
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 I have the feeling that CURRENT CONTROL SET is something the system creates for itself within a working installation.

I do not think it really exists in the config file.

My opinion is that if you delete an item from both sets (my setup only has two) it will not be in the CURRENT CONTROL SET since it is NOT there any longer. I have found from my manual registry deletions that the config file does get smaller. Not very quickly and not by large amounts but it does get smaller. I trimmed about 100K from the software folder last night.

Of course, if you are going back and forth from being able to use REGEDIT in the cMP machine you could easily prove this one way or another.

I think if one does the "load hives" method and removes stuff there it will not be in the "expanded" version of the registry that is displayed in a working installation. Where else could this stuff come from?

I look forward to doing a new install with RM to see how different the two registries will be.

 

Disabling and enabling services is a registry action, posted on December 2, 2011 at 07:47:47
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 so having nLite do it is no big deal.

I do not mark any of the services on my nLite disk since, as you have found, there are very few of them left.

Easy enough to do after all software and hardware is installed.

 

I am using the recommended processor, posted on December 2, 2011 at 07:53:44
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 so I need to try leaving that in.

I will say that the LUCY tool gave me the same basic latency as I had got before. I do not know how to do the measurement you are speaking of. Missed something (AGAIN).

That must explain why I do not have the acpi.sys in my installation!

 

RE: Another brick in the wall..., posted on December 2, 2011 at 07:58:53
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 The Load Hives option is best used in cases of emergency or during a Virus attack on a Pc, when the system does not boot. In our case, it's optimising the system. And it relies mostly on the Current Control Set. At this moment, when we are mid-way, mixing up things, & expecting more registry tweaks to show up, all we could do is get back Regedit to work temporarily to apply a tweak. Once Serge had FINISHED his registry tweaks altogether, then it makes setting up a full-fledged, hassle-free cMp much defined & easy. At that stage, we could accomplish ALL registry tweaks first, & then proceed with file deletions, followed by a side-by-side clean up using Registry Mechanic.
But at this stage, the only way to implement it properly is to restore Regedit back & do it in the primitive way...

Junaid

 

Install made with cMP recommended BIOS /acpi.sys, posted on December 2, 2011 at 08:05:00
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 Something to consider:

When I installed nLite my BIOS is set for the use of only one of the cores of the CPU.

As with the 1394 and the other unneeded ports left disabled at install so they don't install or at least are minimized, I wonder if the same thing occurs with this MULTI PROCESSOR thing?

If the installation only sees one core ...

I have not noticed any abberations in the sound that would point to latency problems and as I said LUCY would give me the same basic latency which my memory thinks was 32 as it was in every other install nLite or otherwise.

Could it be important to have this BIOS setting at installation?

 

RE: Another brick in the wall..., posted on December 2, 2011 at 08:15:37
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 I was able to do Watchdog tweaks for Current Control Set while in another computer using load hive routine. Its interesting that you cant.

 

And here is a question, posted on December 2, 2011 at 08:23:17
steppe
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 Junaid! You were the only one to say you would try deleting entries in Known dlls. Did you do it? what was the sonic impact, if any? Did Serge Mihaylov scare you and other inmates with his funny post?
As for the info about the memory. It was not EXACTLY what I need. Matter is that awe locks pages into memory, but they are only 4kb in size. What I am looking for is the way to set in the registry om any other way this 4kb limit to! 4MB. It will reduce processor-memory interaction TERRIBLY/ And this interaction is one of the sources of playback inconsistency and jitter.
That is all. I will go rebuild my cmp, or it will never happen!!!

 

RE: it is indeed a pity that power filtering is overlooked by many inmates, posted on December 2, 2011 at 08:24:37
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 Hi Mark, i tried the ferrites a while ago, sorry i didn't report. Thanks for your suggestions.
I tried the ferrites on p24 (the flat ones), p4, 12v-line-to-pico, hdd/ssd, and of course on the 220v powercords. When using too much ferrites, i got a slight loss of dynamics. Especially the flat ones on the p24 caused a lot of loss. iirc this is a known issue of ferrites. Now i just have a few small ones on the p4, pico, ssd, monitor-dvi-cable and powercords.
I stopped experimenting when i read about your experiments with the filters. i ordered them, but didn't have time yet to implement (and when i have don it, i regret i didn't do it before; it's an ongoing process...).

Besides that i tried sikorel and Elna-SilmicII caps on the p4 (pico already capped). Didn't work; sounded slightly better without caps.
BTW i can recommend bypassing all caps on mobo like JackWong did: sq boosted!

I hope to build a new cmp during christmas holidays, atom-based, headless. Lots of questions to think about (XPslimming, battery-psu for memory), especially about networking on which i'm a noob.

I'll report on the filters, but that may take some time.
Douwe

 

RE: And here is a question, posted on December 2, 2011 at 08:46:36
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 Yes I was scared by his post :)
Will try it for sure. I have nothing to lose, as I have back-ups already...

Junaid

 

Two questions for my enlightenment, posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:04:30
riboge
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 1. Is not the current control set drawn from the numbered control sets? That is, if you delete from the numbered ones will not the current set on restart also show these are deleted?

2. Does the system need at minimum more than one control set? That is could we possibly remove all but one numbered one?

 

RE: Weird BSOD, posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:05:41
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 Hi Serge,

I probably wasnt clear. It had nothing to do with your steps. FOr instance I did the first 2 steps and everything worked fine.

The system just worked and was consistently booting at 990mhz. Then one time it didnt and BSOD. Reset to 990 and viola it now boots fine.

WHat do you mean by "legend"?

And what is clklvl. It has been a long time since I did the steps.

Have you tried changing your cpu speed in the bios with your steps in place?

It might not have anything to do with the steps, but all this time and so many auto bios reclocks from 990 to 1.6 and no problems. I do the steps and now it seems that a reset can cause a blue screen.

Cut to razor sounding violins

 

RE: Weird BSOD, posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:16:01
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 I have great stability in my system running @ 840 mhz after all the steppes (1-22) and almost all of the registry tweaks. My windows size is something like 45 mb. My home pc windows is like 10 gb so I believe the smaller the better esp for stability. The other day I took out one of my hdds to load some new music and I got a bsod while playing cplay (before the steppes I used to get these once a month or so). So I dont think steppes 1-2 will do anything to increase bsod risk. Sometimes sh** happens.

 

RE: Two questions for my enlightenment, posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:19:59
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 I have not much of an idea regarding that. But I guess the Current Control Set differs from the other sets...

Junaid

 

I checked., posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:41:54
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 Enough to save only the Current Control Set and Control Set 001 (they are identical in content but requires both). My cMP2 works fine. Although perhaps it's again feature of the Russian Windows XP ;).

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

about the legend, posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:42:11
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 Hello! It's best, imho, not to reset the speed of the cpu. Also, take a look and read carefully, and if you wish, implement, but slowly my tweaks 21(corrected edition) - it's all about bios and memory timings. You can do it anytime. It doesn't depend on my windows tweaks. Gives splendid results but requires a long break-in period. After a 24 hours initial break in time it will usually start sounding very good in about 35-40 minutes (for cmpextreme).
/CLKLVL is a setting in the boot.ini line like /fastdetect. I called this last line with kernel parameters legend here just for fun. Use it, but use it only once, to taste it, as IT will reset your bios FOR SURE, unless you perform it with cpu working at normal speed. Very dangerous but shows what we are missing with so many different clocks in our computers differently ticking. A thing to work on for the future.
Serge.

 

Sorry, Junaid! But, posted on December 2, 2011 at 09:55:25
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this is what was on the iso

 

RE: Sorry, Junaid! But, posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:05:12
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 I'm sorry. I just posted another ISO image & edited my post. Please download it & burn it to a disc. I just did an install using it & confirm working !!!

Junaid

 

RE: Sorry, Junaid! But, posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:09:13
steppe
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 It is I who has to apologize for causing so much trouble. Thank You, Junaid!
Serge

 

Makes a huge difference..., posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:24:59
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 There is a lot of difference in sonics if Multi-Processor is not selected. The Pc should be installed as Acpi Multiprocessor Pc. I just finished a new nLite install, & it sounds great out of the box. I'm sure there is a much larger scope for improvement with this one...
Rick, U had not selected Multiple processor support. Please make a note of it. It's very very important ..

Junaid

 

RE: Sorry, Junaid! But, posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:34:44
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 Please download the ISO & install Xp using it, install Ur soundcard drivers & apply minlogon. I just made a fresh install using it & am listening to it. Even without the basic Cics optimisations, it's sounding so good. I wonder where this will land up after the optimisations & registry mods & file deletions done. Sounds so promising. Am excited altogether....

Junaid

 

So, the 2nd 89MB download is the right one not the first at 105MB?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 10:52:14
riboge
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 Please confirm, since I had already burned the first to CD.

 

RE: So, the 2nd 89MB download is the right one not the first at 105MB?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 11:05:27
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 Exactly !!! The 89mb one is the correct image.
I made a fresh install using it, installed drivers for my soundcard & chipset, disabled codecs, applied minlogon, AWE, & installed cMp & cPlay. I haven't even completed the basic Cics optimisations in the Registry nor any other apart from the above mentioned yet..
Have been listening for almost an hour now, & it sounds just amazing at this stage itself. I wonder where the mods & tweaks would take this. The best cMp I have heard so far. I strongly suggest all inmates to do this.
By the way, the size of my config folder without any registry mods itself is 6.8mb...

Junaid

 

RE: So, again, what did you leave in?, posted on December 2, 2011 at 11:27:05
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 A very important thing to be left in was the Multi-processor support in the Hardware tab. If not, the installation would be restricted to a standard install with maximum a single Acpi install. I had followed Ur instructions to make my first nLite disc which was successful but hugely different in sonics compared to the one I made today.
I guess now things would move in the right track. The sound is absolutely balanced from the top-most to the bottom registers...

Junaid

 

I mentioned below - BIOS settings at install, posted on December 2, 2011 at 11:58:14
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 I installed with BIOS set for one core.

Do you think this would make a difference?

 

From what I have read ..., posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:04:09
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 CurrentControlSet is simply the set that is being used.

From my experience in my setup this is ControlSet1 - I would think one could delete the other even though it is considered a backup - BUT with the .sav files deleted maybe the OS won't care.

With an image made of a working installation even if something goes wrong in the future (ControlSet1 is corrupted) one could just re-copy the install. There is always the possibility that the OS will simply make another copy and deleting might not get us anywhere.

I will try tonight!

 

But I am only using one core - even during install, posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:07:01
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 I think you might want to try installing with optimized BIOS and see if it makes the same difference.

If the MB only sees one core what's the point of multi processor support?

 

I did it (and a lot more) with no ill effects at all, posted on December 2, 2011 at 12:17:55
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 I went through DEFAULT and SOFTWARE and deleted everything with no entries or things that corresponded to files deleted.

Went through SYSTEM, same installation on a different SSD deleting anything that looked useless. Both booted up and played just fine.

I had no time to listen to the first version since it was too late. The second version, which I did first (???) and which includes your latest recommendations worked fine, also. Listened to that for a couple of hours and liked what I was hearing.

Will know more tonight. I will copy the modified DEFAULT and SOFTWARE folders into the SSD with the modified SYSTEM folder tonight and hear what results.

From what I can see config should be around 4mB after this.

 

So, ho does one implement AWE, posted on December 2, 2011 at 13:16:47
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 now? It won't let put in administrators!
Serge

 

This was part of my nLite post, posted on December 2, 2011 at 14:11:18
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 Go ahead and type in Administrators and click whatever it is you click, can't remember!, yes it will tell you it does not recognize the name. Cancel that screen. Proceed as you would with a more normal install. Be sure to SAVE and EXIT.

I then go to cMP and see if I get the AWE Successful message on diagnostics and I do. Every time.

SO, don't worry about it. Just make sure you get the assurance.

 

Cplay says, posted on December 2, 2011 at 15:08:10
steppe
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 awe failed... reverting to normal or smth like that and AWE IS ESSENTIAL for future tweaks.
This is what I think: As awe is a group object setting the error (advanced tab shows an unrecognized error) is to remove Guest from nLite install. Yes, it removes 1 control set from the registry, probably, but AWE is MORE IMPORTANT.
Serge

 

RE: Inmates! Please, also CHECK THIS!, posted on December 2, 2011 at 16:46:59
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 At 1st I did shy away because of Mihaylov's warning but finally tried it. Sonically not sure I like it...it tends to add weight in the lower midrange and on some music it sounds good but on big classical music it can obscure details in that range. Also depth seems to be a bit foreshortened. Highs are still good. What is this supposed to do again ...not load those dll's at boot? I'll listen for a day/go back and listen again to prior level.

 

I certainly agree - my system allows AWE - TRY AGAIN, posted on December 2, 2011 at 18:02:15
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 It can be done.

Do it again.

 

After listening for awhile I can assure you there is no need, posted on December 2, 2011 at 18:05:23
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 for MULTI PROCESSOR SUPPORT.

Set to one core in BIOS before installation.

Extremely spacious, no lack of mid bass energy, clean, sweet high frequencies ...

 

RE: But I am only using one core - even during install, posted on December 2, 2011 at 20:46:21
Jolida
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 I so knew that question would come up :)
I can answer that in one line. If the OS is seeing only ONE core in the bios, then HOW DOES IT INSTALL AS AN ACPI MULTIPROCESSOR PC, when the setting are in Automatic?????
As simple as that. Even I have disabled multithreading in my Bios long back, & only one core is enabled. But inspite of that, windows recognises it as a multiprocessor. I guess there is something more to it that just enabling or disabling...
The nLite disc which I have uploaded was made with Multiple processor support enabled and the Computer type I left it to Automatic.
Try installing with that disc & I'm quite sure that even ur's would be installed as an Acpi Multiprocessor, even though only One core is enabled...

Junaid

 

RE: So, ho does one implement AWE, posted on December 2, 2011 at 20:53:31
Jolida
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 I have installed using that very same nLite disc & enabled AWE.
When u type in Administrators & click Ok, that window will remain after a blink. At that moment two small windows are open. After u click Ok once, press Cancel & close both the small windows, & in the main window, goto 'File' & SAVE, it will assign a name something as Console root 1 in a directory. Save it. Then again on the same main window, goto 'File' & exit.
AWE will now be enabled. Restart the system for it to take effect & confirm it in cPlay diagnostics...

Junaid

 

My registry tweak, posted on December 2, 2011 at 21:11:47
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Now the size of registry (size of the Config folder) is 929 KB.
First I used the portable version of the jv16 PowerTools to clean and compact the registry. Then I cleaned the registry manually using regedit.exe. After all I exported default, sam, security, software and system from registry saved them as hives on my NAS through network. Then I replaced the files default,sam,security,software and system in Config folder by saved hives (under the same names).
To describe the registry removings is difficult because they are very numerous.
Here are some screenshots which help to fathom that it is possible to remove.













Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

TRY IT...!!, posted on December 2, 2011 at 21:18:42
Jolida
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 I so knew that question would come up :)
I can answer that in one line. If the OS is seeing only ONE core in the bios, then HOW DOES IT INSTALL AS AN ACPI MULTIPROCESSOR PC, when the setting are in Automatic?????
As simple as that. Even I have disabled multithreading in my Bios long back, & only one core is enabled. But inspite of that, windows recognises it as a multiprocessor. I guess there is something more to it that just enabling or disabling...
The nLite disc which I have uploaded was made with Multiple processor support enabled and the Computer type I left it to Automatic.
Try installing with that disc & I'm quite sure that even ur's would be installed as an Acpi Multiprocessor, even though only One core is enabled...



Junaid

 

I assure u as well...!!!!!, posted on December 2, 2011 at 21:31:09
Jolida
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 When i had made my first nLite disc following ur instructions, i did like it too, & i had even made a post on that. The sound was clean but BLAND ( a bit tasteless). I was expecting it would settle in after deletions. But the thing that got me worried was the high latencies i was getting with that install. Upon checking in the device manager, i found that it was installed as a 'Standard Pc'.
I very well remember that all our previous installations of windows, which had been done in all these months, are installed as an "Acpi Multiprocessor PC". Im sure u & all other inmates have previous back-ups handy. Try restoring one of them & check for urself. My question is, "Why was it installed as a Multi-Processor when only One core was enabled even then??????????????????????????? There should be something to it right...!!!
And i too assure u, that the sonics are way superior in every aspect in this new install, compared to the one i made as per ur recipe...
I strongly suggest u try & hear it for urself..

Junaid

 

RE: My registry tweak, posted on December 2, 2011 at 21:44:03
Jolida
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 Throw more light please. Its still dark :)

Junaid

 

RE: My registry tweak, posted on December 2, 2011 at 22:15:00
Mihaylov
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 In Moscow it is already daylight ;).

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: My registry tweak, posted on December 2, 2011 at 23:09:35
Jolida
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 It's daylight in India as well :) but Ur tweak has clouded the light... Let the details rain out of Ur tweak so that it gets brighter again...

Junaid

 

To clear things a bit, posted on December 2, 2011 at 23:31:13
steppe
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 When cics was recommending the hardware set he said that it is enough to enable only one core, it will do all the multithreading (2 simulaneous threads).
Serge
I installed as an ACPI multiprocessor, then reverted bios to
CORES ENABLED 1
Serge.
P.S. there is more to acpi-multiprocessor, but let me finish the cmp. Stuck with awe.

 

So, How do I use Batches for, posted on December 3, 2011 at 00:00:07
steppe
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 file deletions? I press enter and there is a long list rapidly scrolled, saying smth like bad location or smth, some files however get a longer comment, but still I can't read that fast. Anyway, nothing is deleted, I even copied a bat into system32 and started it there....
Sorry, new thing for me.
Serge.
Do I have to have another (drive d) attached as a must?

 

Great, really, BUT, posted on December 3, 2011 at 00:17:28
steppe
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 Hi, Serge!
1. Did you delete all the branches inside the selected branch, lika ALL HKEY CLASSES ROOT or you show only what remains?
2. Having an extremely small registry size is NOT ITSELF AN OBJECTIVE. Matter is, however small, the registry eats 4mb in paged memory pool. There is a feature like RSL (registry size limit), if RSL or the actual size of the registry is less than 4mb its size is ignored and by default 4mb will be allocated anyway. Now the deletions of entries that invoke unnecessary threads is MORE IMPORTANT, and here I congratulate you.
3. Serge, you seem to be much more apt at computer than me. Please, try to find these two things: assigning memory (in mb) to an application - in our case it is cmp-cplay and MOST IMPORTANT - how to set the size of pages, that awe locks from 4kb to ! 4mb. It IS POSSIBLE in xp, but the info is somehow hushed or vague.
With all my respect, Serge.

 

RE: So, How do I use Batches for, posted on December 3, 2011 at 01:13:04
nagual19
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 Yes, the way Junaid has designed his batchfiles, you'd need a D:\ partition to make them work per default. But of course you can edit them to make it work, just open every *.bat with notepad or your favourite text editor, for example this is Junaid's step2.bat:

IF NOT EXIST d:\step2 md d:\step2
MOVE c:\windows\system32\audiosrv.dll d:\step2
...etc...

First line creates a new folder 'step2' on D:, second line moves the file audiosrv.dll to the newly created folder. Just find-replace all D:\ strings and edit to point to any directory you like.

When you finally execute the batches, be aware that there will be still some saying "file not found...", because the batches are searching for the respective files in several locations (in this case, audiosrv.dll is searched for in \Windows\system, Windows\system32, and Windows\system32\drivers)

Some kind of brute force attack, but works quite well. Keep in mind, if a file is locked in memory by Windows, the bat also cannot override this (just the same if you'd use just windows' GUI) and the file stays in original location.

PLEASE NOTE: IIRC, only the later (16...?) Junaid batches are dealing with *folders* that are to be removed. So just move folders like WinSxS\Manifests\... manually. Anyway, these batches do speed up the whole process a lot.

 

Sounds easy, posted on December 3, 2011 at 01:21:10
steppe
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 Will try it again now. Thank You!
Serge.

 

RE: So, How do I use Batches for, posted on December 3, 2011 at 01:54:01
Jolida
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 Hey Serge,
Looks like u do not have a 'D' drive on ur Hard Disk. If not, dont worry.. Do u want me to edit my Batches for u in such a way that the files are moved in another manner? I sure could do that. Let me know.
And nagual19, u r cool :)

Junaid

 

Check ur email.., posted on December 3, 2011 at 02:08:11
Jolida
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 I just modified the Batches for u & sent it to ur email. Its the same, except that it does not require a 'D' drive to work.
Just double-click on the Batches & u r good to go...

Junaid

 

Thank You, posted on December 3, 2011 at 02:43:44
steppe
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 Junaid! You are REALLY helping me and also thanks to NAGUAL19. I read what he said and finishing step12. Will see. I tried step2 or 3 it created a folder on my disk e. there are files inside but while doing the echo is: the system cannot find the file specified or syntax incorrect is it ok? I think it's just because of our minimalistic install. BTH, read my reply post to Mihaylov's registry tweak. ABOUT THE SIZE.
Serge.

 

RE: Thank You, posted on December 3, 2011 at 02:49:47
Jolida
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 While running my batches, it's absolutely normal to see the File not found or the System cannot find the file specified error. It's because I have written the batches in such a way that it will search for the file in multiple folders, & since one file cannot be present in all the folders, it will show up that error. Don't bother about it. The Batches will work as intended & the files will be moved.
Yes I did read your reply to Mihaylov. I too am looking for that info online. Hope to sort it out..!! See if this can be of help:-
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2009/03/26/3211216.aspx

Junaid

 

Is it this..??, posted on December 3, 2011 at 02:57:04
Jolida
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 http://www.pctools.com/guides/registry/detail/1015/

Junaid

 

Oh! I mean, posted on December 3, 2011 at 03:10:09
steppe
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mostly not the info, though it is of great importance. I mean the size of the registry and our approach to what we aim at. It's not the size, as long as it is less than 4mb which is a champion's achievement itself. I mean that we ought to strive to cut off everything really unnecessary. I have just tried my own registry tweak about known dlls - good but not overwhelming, though it's hard yet to tell. The further we get during deletions the more evident and true is any registry change. BTW, I think I should have set cmp to start cmp, before proceeding with batches, shouldn't I? I didn't. Run all 16 at once, rebooted and couldn't log on. No minlogon was implemented yet. So many variables. Will start now once again. (thanks to you and nagual19 the batches are ready.)
I think I have found the mistake while preparing nLite install see the picture. This thing shouldn't be deleted, otherwise - the awe problem. Also see that shutdown.exe and taskkill.exe are not removed from installation.
Serge.
Will be posting comments, if you permit and if they are not obsolete.

 

RE: Oh! I mean, posted on December 3, 2011 at 03:32:11
Jolida
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 I have not deleted Group Policy Management Console while making the nLite disc. It's in. Also, I am using the same nLite disc I have uploaded & AWE works absolutely fine. Just follow the instructions & it's done. Even if it does not accept the word Administrator, it's fine. Just click Ok & cancel to close the small windows, & in the Main window click on "File>Save", then again "File> Exit". Reboot, & AWE is successful....

Junaid

 

RE: My registry tweak, posted on December 3, 2011 at 04:35:27
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 Wow this is really an accomplishment that you have reached....bravo. So tell us how it sounds. Apparently there is a bright light in Moscow.

 

RE: To clear things a bit, posted on December 3, 2011 at 05:54:20
Jolida
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 Even if u do an automatic install, it will sense the Pc as a multiprocessor.
Though only one core is enabled. U can check with Ur previous back-ups as well, & all will show the installation as an Acpi Multiprocessor Pc.
That's exactly why I was insisting Rick to retain Multiple Processor support. Else u will only have a standard install which sounds a lot different that this one..

Junaid

 

RE: NO WAY.., posted on December 3, 2011 at 06:09:25
theob
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 Big issue: while making registry changes this way one time I did not unload hive after changes and unfortunately I did revise my home pc registry. No problem though everything worked well so no issues but I learned not to make that mistake again. But after latest Steppe registry tweaks I noticed not only did I revise my cmp^2 ssd but I also inadvertently revised my home pc registry. All works ok but I am reluctant to use this method any more period. So it looks like I need another method. Mihaylov's method is probably the way to go. More to come.

 

RE: How to run the programs on tweaked cMP2, posted on December 3, 2011 at 06:17:44
theob
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 I want to try this on my home pc (which is xp also) do you see any reason it cannot work?

 

more information, two links, posted on December 3, 2011 at 07:46:30
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 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366527%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

and
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askperf/archive/2007/03/07/memory-management-understanding-pool-resources.aspx

'The physical pages that can be allocated for an AWE region are limited by the number of physical pages present in the machine, since this memory is never paged'

It appears then, that we (assuming 1x512MB ram) want to maximize the non-paged Memory (which would be regvalue 'NonPagedPoolSize' in bytes) ?

Steppe of course has the idea (sounds promising) to make the AWE memory pages larger (http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/9/99374.html), I'll also try to search for info on this ;)

First link says at last, 'AWE provides page size granularity appropriate to the processor (for example, 4 KB on x86), which is more useful to applications than large pages (for example, 2MB or 4MB on x86).'

So we might try to search from another perspective, that is making Windows believe its using some other 'CPU type' (...) if possible at all, to make it use larger pages. Thinking of, a lesser interval that the ram is accessed would lead to less mobo/psu-disturbances (which leads to ...cMP users know ;)

Or second possibility, Coder Cics joins back in and may shed even more light on the mermaids (already shimmering in 24bit colours I think) tail ;)

 

Is there any place to see how the OS was installed?, posted on December 3, 2011 at 07:56:00
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 I have no idea where to look.

I am sure it is in the registry somewhere.

I do know that acpi.sys was not installed.

I will give it a try but I am mystified why the installation would override the BIOS when it doesn't for other things.

 

Looked at nLite and see that I installed as ...., posted on December 3, 2011 at 08:00:13
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Standard PC with C-Step i486.

 

RE: Is there any place to see how the OS was installed?, posted on December 3, 2011 at 08:02:44
Jolida
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 Just go to Device Manager & open the first tree names " Computer". There u can see the type of installation been done.
Cross-check this in Ur nLite install with the previous images u had backed up, by restoring any non-nLite image u had earlier. I'm sure all Ur previous back-ups will have used the Acpi Multiprocessor Pc...

Junaid

 

RE: Is there any place to see how the OS was installed?, posted on December 3, 2011 at 08:07:59
nagual19
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 Try
http://falconfour.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/how-to-switch-windows-xp-hal-_back_-from-standard-pc-to-acpi-the-clean-way/

Where to look, it should be
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\Root\PCI_HAL\000

When you have non-ACPI, it should state 'e_isa_up'. Eventually you are lucky that way, but the site says, that afterwards you have to update the (fundamental) driver of it using MMC/ device manager.

Probably this is some regvalue too.. If you have the time, consider a re-install using ACPI from the start, I think honestly this would be a more clean approach as to not break things :)

 

Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 09:53:23
jackwong96
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 Hi Inmates,

I went through Jolida's .Bat1-16 and registry tweaks in CMP mode, with Notepad.exe, Device Manager, Regedit.exe and Cplay opened. Notepad.exe and Regedit.exe were retained after file deletion. However, I was not able to go back to XP mode and the Device Manager no longer worked(can't install driver and components anymore). Any idea what files should be retained in order that XP mode and Device Manager?

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 10:04:10
Jolida
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 Restore back reg.exe from Mihaylov's list to system32 & u will be able to get back to Xp mode..
I have sent my new updated batches today to u & all others.
Device manager needs a lot more files to work. We had given up device manager somewhere mid-way while doing the steppes. What do u need it for??

Junaid

 

RE: Inmates! Please, also CHECK THIS!, posted on December 3, 2011 at 10:54:43
theob
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 Went back to the prior level and yes what I said about the known-dll tweaks is true but in retrospect I do like some aspects of the tweak now that I'm out of it. Either way it is very good. May have to go back and listen again.

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 11:10:42
jackwong96
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 Thanks. I have not executed Mihaylov's list yet as I have problem with them earlier. I checked and found Reg.exe in bat.15. I'll redo to see what will happen. I need Device manager as I want to use a master copy to install on different computers(my friends'). If this can't be done, I'll have to do fresh installations.

About these tweaks, should we apply them all directly to the trimmed Nlite XP? I ask this question because on reaching bat.16 I can hear changes in SQ, I'm not sure it's improvements or changes and I need to compare carefully.

Highly appreciate what you are doing for the community. If our ultimate goal is to trim down XP to the smallest possible, I think it would be more effective to do it the other way round(if and only if we know what files should be kept and what should be deleted. Instead of deleting huge number of files, create a bat file to save all files that are required for CMP to work good(using another computer), delete the rest from C drive and put what we have saved earlier back in. Just an idea. Don't whether this will work better or not.

And in order to streamline what you guys are doing right now with different versions of XP Pro, a master copy should be used by all. Your Nlite ISO image is good for this purpose but I can't use it because it hasn't got Chinese language in it. I created my own Nlite XP but can't make it to 89mb, mine is 107 mb. Can you upload one without deleting the languages?

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 11:42:31
Jolida
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 Had thought of that idea a few weeks ago. I guess it's gonna end up likewise, as the batches have been made already. If they were not, then a reverse gear would have taken us ahead..!!
Try to ascertain if u like the sound after step 16. As u said, & as I have put it many a times, a change need not always be an improvement. Listen to a lot of familiar recordings to analyse what's happened. Once u install nLite & cics optimise it, take a back-up, before u proceed with deletions or touch the registry. Always helps to get back to where u started. With back-ups & batch files handy, u don't have anything to lose, except some time, but it's worth experimenting to ooze the utmost potential out of Ur system on a software-level.
My recent nLite install has totally changed the performance of my cMp. The best I've heard in a long time, even without the deletions done. I intend to proceed slow & listen a lot more at each stage, to ascertain the improvement each steppe makes. I guess it's high time we finalise what's to be removed & what to be left in..
Steppe (serge) has done a remarkable job throughout, & set a benchmark in the history of cMp. Absolutely stunning work, & we all appreciate his efforts.
What u like & what u don't also depends on Ur entire set-up as well as Ur listening taste. Some like a very laid-back sound, some like it Live with lots of energy. So one tweak may sound quite the opposite to another. As I said, take Ur time & analyse, & take a back up at every stage which has made a pleasant change to u..
Afterall, it's all about what sounds best to You..!!

Junaid

 

Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 11:59:54
steppe
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 Hello, everybody. This is what the mermaid finally told me: keep my memory tight, keep my timings tight, starve me, be strict with me and put this line in your boot.ini:
/nopae /noexecute=alwaysoff /fastdetect /UsePMTimer /timeres=9766 /nodebug /pcilock /onecpu /MAXMEM=256 (if you use /noguiboot, place it at the end of the line). If You use 512 mb of memory, be more carefull with maxmem. The smallest achievable setting is 215-216 mb, provided that you have done all 22 of my tweaks and your memory timings in bios are set to the extreme shortest. Give some time to burn-in.
Serge.
N.B. To Enjoy the mermaid to the fullest, don't forget to ENABLE Precision Event Timer in BIOS!!!

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 12:18:07
Bibo01
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 It would be quite simple to change slightly the ISO nLite master file.
Jolida needs to upload his "Last Session.ini" file from nLite XP.
With such file, combined with your own XP master disc, you can make a new ISO file slipstreaming Chinese language, drivers and so on...

 

RE: Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 13:06:01
Jolida
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 Amazed by what this did. Outstanding tweak.
Fabulous work serge.... Thanks a lot..!!!

Junaid

 

RE: So, ho does one implement AWE, posted on December 3, 2011 at 13:10:55
wlowes
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 for me the trick was to replace "Administrator" with everone and anonymous user. then it would save. I followed the other User Accounts settings in cplay optimizations, rebooted and then awe would enable.

 

RE: So, ho does one implement AWE, posted on December 3, 2011 at 13:18:12
Jolida
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 That's good. Though I got AWE enabled using Administrator itself...
Either way, as far as it worked :)

Junaid

 

The detailed screenshots, posted on December 3, 2011 at 13:20:10
Mihaylov
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 See link, password: Serge

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 13:27:30
Jolida
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 U want to integrate Chinese language support in the disc ? I will upload it in while. It's 3.am now. Will do it in the morning. Do u want just the ini file or do u want me to slipstream Chinese into the ISO & upload it again? Either way is fine with me..

Junaid

 

RE: My registry tweak, posted on December 3, 2011 at 13:34:25
Mihaylov
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 Theo, for a long time already the sound in my system is great therefore it is difficult to tell about any appreciable changes as I do much tweaks recently without having time to trace changes carefully.
In this case I probably take the more interest in how much possible to reduce a system size.


Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 15:07:39
Mihaylov
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 What sense in used memory limit?

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 15:29:37
theob
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 What if you have 256 mb ram? I'm going to try anyway ... just thought I would ask. If it works does that mean longer times between swaps and fewer (swaps) per track in cplay? Or not?

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 15:34:30
theob
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 I think this '...And in order to streamline what you guys are doing right now with different versions of XP Pro, a master copy should be used by all...' is a great idea!!

 

RE: Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 16:09:38
theob
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 I'm a contrarian on this one...sounds very similar to the known dll's deletion tweak. Things sound a bit more midrangy almost like a tube stage was added somewhere in the link. Its not unpleasant but disappointing for me. Maybe if you use nopae which sounds very uber solid state to me(tight bass, great dynamics but a bit edgy) it evens things out. I may leave it but I may have add nopae back in.

 

RE: Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 18:29:17
steppe
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 Did you use the WHOLE line, or only /maxmem? Try the WHOLE line.
Serge.

 

RE: Fishy Secrets Part 2 or bright fish in the bowl, posted on December 3, 2011 at 18:45:02
steppe
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 To shorten "walks" between processor and memory and decrease the number of pages.
Serge.

 

RE: Need Device Manager & XP Mode Working After Tweaks, posted on December 3, 2011 at 20:12:29
jackwong96
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 Not the .ini file, to be useful to me I need Chinese Traditional and Simplified included in your Nlite image. My XP SP2 is of a different built from yours and the size is different after trimming. I suggest the Languages should be left intact so that inmates and select on their own.

 

HPET and Windows XP..., posted on December 3, 2011 at 21:17:45
gjwAudio
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 Hi Serge

I'm very curious to know what you hear when switching HPET ON/OFF in your BIOS (...no other changes of course, just the HPET).

This question comes from the research I did earlier this year on using the HPET within a Windows XP context. The results/conclusions were posted in the cMP forum, see -> http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/8/88573.html

In essence, XP-SP2 (and beyond) can recognize the presence of HPET on a modern mobo, but XP has no driver for it, and therefore CANNOT benefit from it's use. Not directly anyway.

However, if you are hearing a change in SQ by toggling this component in BIOS (and I certainly trust your reporting on the effect of subtle changes), some other mechanism must be responsible.

Here's a wild guess: perhaps it's related to EMI/RFI pollution on that particular mobo ? Maybe other mobos don't react the same way. This is all speculation on my part, but I just had to make up some kind of shaky answer.

Looking forward to your reply.

Cheers,
Grant

That's not a Toy... IT'S A TOOL !!

 

Yes, but what about the Microsoft Police ?, posted on December 3, 2011 at 21:57:07
gjwAudio
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 I think this '...And in order to streamline what you guys are doing right now with different versions of XP Pro, a master copy should be used by all...' is a great idea!!

(nb: this is not a reflection on theob, just a convenient place to post this observation)

Gentlemen (and Ladies, should any be reading...),

It's one thing to talk about tinkering with Microsoft's XP product - and the many ways to bend it to our very particular needs - but it strikes me as an Invitation To Trouble for our "community" to openly circulate a copy of the OS.

How long before the Microsoft Police pull up in their virtual squad car, and issue a Cease and Desist order, brandishing words like "bootleg", "pirate" and "lawsuit" ?

There can be no valid objection to sharing the method for creating your own nLited XP install (from your own copy of XP), but passing around a live install disk (or ISO image) goes against that "terms of use" thing we never read.

By using the same "Last Session.ini" parameter file in nLite, we can each generate "the same" install from our individually held sources - conceptually at least. Minor variations may arise due to different language editions and/or service pack updates.

Just an observation. Let the fun continue.

Cheers,
Grant


That's not a Toy... IT'S A TOOL !!

 

RE: HPET and Windows XP..., posted on December 3, 2011 at 22:17:12
steppe
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In fact the hpet device is in your system and is enabled without drivers like a vga compatible video controller, see the picture. The sound seemed colder? but more precise. (or I talked myself to believe). I want yet to try bigger values. and see. After all it was about a month ago. But I Kept this setting, so there was a change for the better. Grant, try the whole string I posted, in your bios and say if you like it or not. Only, the whole string.
Serge.
Give it a 1-1,5 hours time to settle.

 

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