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Apogee stage

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Posted on September 12, 2023 at 09:40:41
jazzbeat
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Curious as to opinions on these. Nice pair offered on us audiomart and tempted. How do they stand up to Magnepans

 

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RE: Apogee stage, posted on September 14, 2023 at 19:07:26
grantv
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Many feel they are equals (or close either way), but it's more difficult to get support, repairs on the Apogee. I haven't heard them for a long time, loved them when I did!

 

life is short , posted on September 16, 2023 at 08:50:10
Green Lantern
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I see they're going for $1K on USAM, for me the question then becomes do I buy these or a Maggie comparable ie a 3.3, 1.6, LRS, etc.

Having owned Apogee Duetta sigs (twice) and Maggies ranging from LRS up to MG20's, I would give the Stages a shot- only if I could audition them because as Grant mentioned repairs could be an issue.

My first set of Duettas were purchased because they became available locally and I'd always read great things about them so after hearing (the owner also had Scintilla 1 ohm's) them I grabbed em' for $2200. At the time I was working overseas in Dubai so I had them stored at my gf's apt closet.

Two years later I moved them and my now fiance' into my new house where I had them hooked up to a Krell amp. The sound was clear and concise. It wasn't really fair comparing them to the Maggie 1.6's I'd previously owned (and sold). The duetta's were on an entirely different level.

This was around 2008'ish, the economy was in turmoil and a lot of folks had to make ends meet so a lot of gear was on the market (ditto for houses). Enter the Maggie MG20's, a gentleman in L.A. (about 90 min from me) listed his for sale for citing pending divorce.

I contacted him and we spoke on the phone (I'm still overseas) for about a hour stating they were in excellent condition and he'd 'guarantee' them.

After apprehension and not feeling good about buying them sight unseen (other than pics) he gave me an offer I couldn't refuse: $2400 including delivery and setup. That weekend he delivered them and placed them in my garage, my son helping.

So here I was with two incredible panels, the Sigs and now the 20's.

It was a pair of MG20.1's that floored me at the dealer's show room and got me on the path of planars, leaving that day with a pair of MG1.6's knowing I'd 'never' be able to afford the 20.1's.

So now the 20's owned first chair in my system and held that position for years, not necessarily because they 'sounded better', they absolutely dominated the room with glorious sound.

There came a time when I figured the duetta's weren't going back in so I sold them.

Maggies are the best at what they do-provided you feed them the best puppy chow you can provide them. Several years later it got to the point where I had a LOT of gear in the room and began missing the sound of the Duetta sigs.

A few years later another pair of Duetta's became available locally. I grabbed them having miss the 'crystal clear' highs and spooky female vocals. Not taking anything away from the MG20's, they do highs with the best of them but if I had to assign a Maggie downfall it would be the sometime 'veiling' and 'superhead' presentation occasionally brought on. Granted these are engineering aspects and Maggies are just pronouncing them but stil...

Anyway so I stripped the room of all the gizmos and gear and connected the Duettas with a pair of Emotiva XPA1's on the premise of a A-B comparison.

Long story short- the Duettas stayed in the original setup for the next 2 years, each new CD sounding better than the last. Granted they could not reproduce the full blown 'bloom' the MG20's create but they created the best 'coffee house' setup I've ever heard.

Having said all that (way more than I thought I'd type lol) I'd say give the Stages a shot -provided they play well.

The fact all (original) Apogees come with caveats, it actually gives the buyer some lead way in negotiating price, ie if a seller is asking $1K I'd offer $850. This was how I was able to negotiate my MG20's, I watched them for a while knowing no one wants to ship them. This is presuming they 'have' to get rid of them vs wanting to get rid of them.

bottom line:

Apogee pros: crystal clear highs, greater efficiency (imo!), value for the money (used market only) great coherency, world class sound that can give current high speakers a run for their money
cons: most on the used market have low end compromise ie buzzing inherent from aging, repairing can be costly on the open market and difficult in the DIY realm.

Maggies: pros- highly praised across the board, tons on the market, world class sound, great community support,
cons: (again IMO) hard to please unless fed good gear beginning with amplification although I had MANY great years with a pair of Emotiva XPA1's, beating a Krell KRS I once owned. Veiling sometimes encountered (well at least on the older copper wire drivers in my experience, not sure regarding the newer foil drivers).

But if I had $1K and the choice between a 'good condition' (thats important) Apogee stages vs a LRS I'd get the stages w/o hesitation (and yes I owned LRS's in the past.


Good luck in whatever choice(s) you make!


















 

RE: Apogee stage, posted on September 16, 2023 at 15:55:56
jazzbeat
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Location: Kansas city,MO
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Thanks all for the responses. One reason I posted this item is that there exists a source for replacement ribbons for the Apogee Stage these days. It is a bit pricey however considering these are rare high end speakers a rebuild with new ribbons in mint frames such as the ones listed one can get into a set of essentially new Apogee Stages for less than say 4500 with installation .

https://shop.clarisysaudio.ch/Apogee-Stage-Parts-p485243013

 

4500 all in?, posted on September 16, 2023 at 18:44:54
Ozzie
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Do it. A couple of 10" JL subs and you'll be done

 

RE: Apogee stage, posted on September 19, 2023 at 12:17:47
Analog Scott
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Apogee made some terrific speakers in their day. But IMO this was not one of them.

 

RE: Apogee stage, posted on September 21, 2023 at 18:11:45
Green Lantern
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Location: San Diego, Ca
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New ribbons would be nice but if the originals are intact I'd keep them in place. I've never heard the Stages but many were sold and i remember reading reviews about them in the 90's, all positive.

For me the 'real' beauty in Apogees is the mid-range; upper and lower, the tweeter and then the bass panel, in that order.

In my next life I'll have the original Apogee Grands

In any event there's a excellent Apogee users group on FB, many Stage owners in the group willing to give out good advice.











 

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