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Anybody here own a 30.7 system?

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Posted on October 9, 2021 at 03:38:30
triamp
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 Just curious about what size room owners are using these in, and also curious about overall satisfaction with the speakers.



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+1 nt, posted on October 9, 2021 at 04:36:02
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RE: I listened to some 30.7s ..., posted on October 9, 2021 at 17:57:12
andyr
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 The room was maybe 5m x 8m (17' x 27') - and they sounded magnificent.

The owner was using a Mcintosh amp.

Andy

 

RE: Anybody here own a 30.7 system?, posted on October 10, 2021 at 09:34:47
Mike K
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 You will want a largeish, dedicated room for 30.7s.

At this price point - $30k - you have lots and lots of options, and I for
one would certainly investigate offerings from Sound Labs, Martin Logan,
and other planar/electrostatic manufacturers (I do not like box speakers).





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RE: Anybody here own a 30.7 system?, posted on October 10, 2021 at 12:14:03
GreatSound
 I would say nobody on this site has 30.7's.

As a product that should have been a success, but they were a flop.

Magnepan sold around 50 pairs only.

It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end.

The target audience looks down at the magnepan brand as cheap, and they have little following or status !

The extreme high end likes Magico and Wilson and they sell many hundred pairs of speakers.

 

if I'm to believe your numbers are correct, posted on October 11, 2021 at 05:59:46
Green Lantern
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 I'm sure reduced staff due to COVID along with supply chain issues may also play a major factor.









 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 11, 2021 at 17:15:23
TitaniumTroy
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 Hopefully the 30.7c for condos model will sell better, it's only one panel per side. With a small dynamic open baffle bass unit, IMHO it has the better bass too.

 

RE: if I'm to believe your numbers are correct, posted on October 11, 2021 at 20:14:05
GreatSound
 The 50 sold number was before Covid.

Since Covid I would guess sales of 30.7 are zero.

That 50 number was on the what's best forum.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 11, 2021 at 20:16:20
GreatSound
 The 30.7 for condos is vaporware.
It is not even a product.

 

RE: "It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end." ..., posted on October 12, 2021 at 03:59:05
andyr
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 Que?

I find it very sad if they have actually only sold about 50 pairs - because USD30K-odd is not exactly "extreme high end". Whereas USD300K+ is! :-))

I would say 30.7s are in fact a tremendous bargain.

Andy

 

Did you get to hear the 30.7c prototype in the flesh ?, posted on October 12, 2021 at 17:12:04
emailtim
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 If so, what were your impressions ?
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RE: "It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end." ..., posted on October 12, 2021 at 17:39:06
GreatSound
 However the people that spend 30k on speakers were not convinced!

I agree the 30.7 is a bargain but where can you hear one.

Not at the factory in white bear lake.

They showed the 30.7 at many dealers in the US, for one day only.

A lot of the demos had poor sound due to setup and poor dealer rooms.

The 20.7 is also on demo at very ,very few dealers.

If you want the 20.7 or 30.7 you have to buy on blind faith, and who is going to spend big bucks, under those conditions.

The competing products have show rooms and dealers that you can actually listen to product.

Magnepan filed to market properly IMO, or they would have sold many more.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 12, 2021 at 18:16:22
triamp
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 I heard the "condo" setup at a dealer in the Chicago area. It was not a good room, and the bass / upper bass needed more adjusting and contouring than they had time for.

So, the bass / upper bass balance wasn't optimal and the transition to lower mids / mids was not smooth and seamless, though I feel if time had been available to set up the system fully, that such seamlessness was achievable.

The bass was very good, but just not seamless with the mids due to the need for mre adjustment. The mids and treble were fantastic.

The system sounded great on orchestral music, chamber music and on acoustic folk- but on jazz ensemble or on other music styles such as electric blues, rock, EDM and so on, the bass-to-mid transition problems became apparent.

A drum recording also sounded great, and was played LOUD, but it did not feature much content that included instruments with fundamentals in the midrange regime.
Science doesn't care what you believe.

 

RE: "It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end." ..., posted on October 13, 2021 at 20:31:32
Utley1
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 You would have to 'pay off' dealers and that is not the Magnepan way. Wendell is a fair and honorable man and works best with the few dealers that still exhibit passion for musical values at fair prices.

 

RE: Did you get to hear the 30.7c prototype in the flesh ?, posted on October 13, 2021 at 20:35:18
Utley1
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 I heard it at Lyric in NYC before it closed two years ago. It was fabulous and lyric did a good job and they drew a few hundred people over the course of two days. Was like the 1s time I heard the Tympani 4's at the same place.

 

the LRS could've been it's achilles, posted on October 14, 2021 at 06:19:01
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 So much hype went into it that folks were even saying "hell why do I even need a 3.7i when the LRS is such a great speaker".









 

RE: if I'm to believe your numbers are correct, posted on October 18, 2021 at 05:32:43
josh358
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 Since Covid, sales at Magnepan and other audio manufacturers have gone through the roof! They have a backlog of months.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 18, 2021 at 05:43:39
josh358
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 It's easy to see why you'd have that impression given the delay, but in fact the design was finished and production approved a while ago.

The reason it hasn't gone into production is because of supply chain issues -- the extrusion companies are many months behind and it was all they could do to get a few sample extrusions so that they could make a prototype. The current plan is to take the prototype on tour.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 18, 2021 at 05:48:06
josh358
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 I'm guessing it will. You really need a dedicated room for the 30.7's, whereas the 30.7 C will fit pretty much anywhere. Still, I think the bulk of their sales will be in downmarket models.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 18, 2021 at 18:28:17
timm
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 Hi josh. Nice to see the 'official mouthpiece of magnepan' back. LOL. So given the size of the 30.7c - would be nice to see them in stores.

My 20.7s just seem to get better with age. And their price to performance ratio is off the charts. Do you still have your tympani? I seem to recall seeing some alien speakers in a photo.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 18, 2021 at 18:41:05
josh358
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 Hi Timm! Still have the old Tympanis. About the only thing that's changed is that I have a new listening room -- it's the same as the old one, only its the mirror image. Long story. :-)

 

RE: if I'm to believe your numbers are correct, posted on October 19, 2021 at 12:49:10
GreatSound
 Sales are down big time says the owner of audio perfection, the Magnepan dealer in Minneapolis, MN!

Started with Covid 19.

 

RE: Did you get to hear the 30.7c prototype in the flesh ?, posted on October 21, 2021 at 17:39:12
TitaniumTroy
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 I also heard the 30.7's in Chicago, in December 2019. It was the best sounding Magnepan I ever heard, the main reason I believe is it has a different kind of driver. A dynamic driver which allows it too move more air, which give the bass impact, and dynamic's which I had never heard from a Magnepan before.

 

RE: if I'm to believe your numbers are correct, posted on October 23, 2021 at 08:18:56
josh358
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 Sales have gone through the roof at Magnepan, though as I think you said, that could largely be the LRS, which doesn't require a Covid-era trip to the dealer's. I'd have to ask.

 

RE: +1 nt, posted on October 23, 2021 at 08:52:07
josh358
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 Heh, yes, I still have the IVA's with the Neo 8 mod. I'm actually running them with only two bass panels now as an experiment. The low bass panel is mostly the large low frequency resonant section, so I'm filling that in with electronic EQ. The idea is to get the whole diaphragm (or most of it in this case) moving for higher output. It's sounding great, but then it's in a tiny room where using all the panels traps the back wave.

 

RE: "It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end." ..., posted on October 23, 2021 at 08:58:09
josh358
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 Sadly, there are fewer and fewer of those -- dealers are dropping like flies, and many of the ones that remain sell into the luxury market and are no longer selling on the basis of sound.

 

RE: "It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end." ..., posted on October 23, 2021 at 09:19:11
Utley1
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 Josh: Glad you are well; Wendell trying to hit a 'coop' market that was being abandoned in NYC-weather people are willing to add the 30.7 to their once considered vacation property or 2nd homes is a whole other question. People are in disarray -scared shit;less every day in NYC and similar cities. It is the 1970's all over again. There is a a a lot of 'bitcoin type digital play that occupies peoples souls, if there any left. the 30.7 is a half of bit coin . Not about money for those who have it or those who have just minted it. Sorry about Lyric even though they were stereo hooligans -one less outlet for Magnepans.
Hope you can still listen to music. My musical concentration has slipped significantly and my ability to recall part of the music I loved passionately is diminishing. Best UT

 

RE: "It was a failed attempt to sell in the extreme high end." ..., posted on October 24, 2021 at 23:23:18
josh358
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 Hi Utley,

Still listening when I can find the time, which is too seldom! In fact, I was in New York for about three weeks this month.

One sad issue is that the high end distribution network is going to pieces. NY is gone with Lyric, Chicago is gone. There's virtually no distribution on the East Coast anymore and Wendell is looking for solutions, including small dealers that specialize in Maggies.

I think that the main issue with 30.7's is their size -- you either need a gigantic living room or a dedicated sound room. We'll know better with the 30.7 C.

 

RE: I listened to some 30.7s ..., posted on November 4, 2021 at 17:52:17
flood2
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 Hi Andy

Have you listened to any of the current generation of MartinLogan's Masterpiece series? I was just wondering how the Magnepans would rank next to an ESL11a or ESL13a.
I'm currently using MartinLogan Summits which I bought in 2006 and love them. I would happily buy ML again, but just want to know what else is there in a similar price range in a planar speaker.

Cheers
Regards Anthony

"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats

 

RE: I listened to some 30.7s ..., posted on November 4, 2021 at 18:07:55
timm
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 Hi flood2.

I had ML Odyssey and moved to Maggie 20.7. The house sound between ML and Magnepan is completely different in my opinion. My 20.7 produce more bass than the odyssey / descent combo. They are more dimensional and more organic with better mid bass. The Logan's do well on detail /transparency. The summit /13a/15a is a different sound. They sound great imho. Would prob do rock better and the powered woofers can give a better chest thump if that is what you are after. The Maggie ribbon tweeter is just so natural and smooth. I prefer Maggie. If you love soundstage it can't be beat. How big is your room ?

 

RE: "current generation of MartinLogan's Masterpiece series" ..., posted on November 4, 2021 at 18:16:53
andyr
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 No sorry, Anthony.

Have not heard any. :-((

Andy

 

RE: I listened to some 30.7s ..., posted on November 4, 2021 at 23:46:29
flood2
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 Hi Tim
That is really interesting! My uncle had a pair of Sequel IIs and I tried out the Quest. The bass just wasn't realistically integrated and I was left very unimpressed with the soundstaging which just didn't feel/sound "real". Perhaps the dealer amplification and room arrangement wasn't ideal - I was very young then and didn't really know much. It wasn't until the Summits came along that I paid attention to ML again and I was sold on them.
My room size is about 12ft x 18ft and my amplification is a Bryston 4BSST.

My musical choice is fairly eclectic with a primary love of Jazz and Classical combined with Electronic music so I am looking for an all-rounder. In truth I'm not dissatisfied with the ML Summits at all- the imaging and detail are stellar and they cover the full range in a nicely balanced way. I chose the Summit over the Vantage because they clearly won me over on vocals - the Vantage lacked the utter neutrality on female and male vocals because the crossover is set within the vocal range whereas the Summit is set to 270Hz which means vocals are largely reproduced by the panel which made all the difference. The Summits just sounded effortless and open.

I have read a lot of reviews by people with experience with both brands say that although each is great they would go with Magnepan if they could choose just one. Since my Summits are now getting on to nearly 16 years old, I know that the active bass units are likely to fail sooner rather than later and wanted to think about alternatives.

Thanks for your thoughts!
Regards Anthony

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