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Any movement on the 30.7 for condo concept?

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Posted on September 12, 2020 at 20:11:10
timm
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Anyone know if magnepan is moving forward with the bass module from the 'Condos' concept? Thx Tim

 

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Good question!, posted on September 12, 2020 at 20:31:07
grantv
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Completely forgot about that...

 

RE: Any movement on the 30.7 for condo concept? , posted on September 12, 2020 at 20:55:09
Utley1
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Won't work in the cities like NYC SF, Boston. They are being abandoned. Coops are discounted 30% Condo/COVID

 

I personally I can't see spending that kind of loot living in a condo, posted on September 12, 2020 at 21:10:39
Green Lantern
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Kind of like owning a new Corvette but only being able to park and drive it in the driveway.

My stepdaughter and her bf just moved into a condo and she told me the neighbors complained about her chopping carrots in her kitchen!


 

Reminds me of the Instant Karma Machine story, posted on September 12, 2020 at 21:27:04
emailtim
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I remember reading this story about the troublesome upstairs tenants.

Got to love those studio tech guys !!!

http://bretthouston.com/noisesolutions.pdf

 

RE: Reminds me of the Instant Karma Machine story, posted on September 12, 2020 at 21:55:53
Utley1
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You are both correct. Condo speakers would not survive the condo neighbors.

 

RE: Any movement on the 30.7 for condo concept? , posted on September 13, 2020 at 07:47:14
MarcL
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"For Condos" was an interesting marketing phrase, but we shouldn't take it so literally. It was meant to refer to a small space, not necessarily a class of stuctures, ownership modes, HOA's and nearby neighbors with sensitive hearing.

All it means ... is small. Performance of a 30.7 in a form that's not the side of a barn. And having heard both the 30.7 and the "For Condos" - albeit limited listening sessions in two different venues - I think they achieved the goal.

As for status ... I have heard some well-informed info, won't disclose the details. But it seems there is ongoing "activity" and discussion.

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RE: Reminds me of the Instant Karma Machine story, posted on September 13, 2020 at 08:00:42
Green Lantern
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I would add by eliminating a substantial amount of bass one could most likely have a good relationship with shared wall neighbors and a 30x (or any speaker for that matter) but you're probably limiting yourself to 2/3rds of the total experience.

The other side of the coin (pun intended) being if I can afford a $30K set of speakers and the necessary additional gear needed to propel them I would probably start looking for a house-(unless I'm in a New York, San Fran,Hong Kong, type surrounding).

When I was with my first wife I had my MG1.6's in our first place a 900 sqft condo. That lasted about a year when told I her we needed a bigger place. Fortunately it was during a the 2003 housing boom where we bought it for $250K and precisely a year later sold it for $350K. Minus the penalties that allowed us to find a 3 bdrm 1600 sqft house with a 14x40' Sun room that ended up becoming my music room.


 

Magnepan has production problems, posted on September 13, 2020 at 08:11:46
Mike K
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They do not need to be introducing another model which they cannot deliver
in a timely fashion.
Whether or not you can observe a thing depends upon the theory you use. It is the theory which decides what can be observed. - Albert Einstein

 

Perpetuates the misconception about "condos", posted on September 13, 2020 at 08:35:12
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I mean Magnepan, not you GL.

A condominium is a form of ownership, not an architectural style. Yes, they are often high rise apartment style buildings, townhomes, or duplexes. But they can also be typical single family detached units. And more to the point here, size has nothing to do with it. A condo could be anything from an 800 sq ft efficiency unit to a sprawling 3-4,000 sq ft home.

So the name seems pretty silly and misapplied to me.
"The only cats worth anything are the cats who take chances. Sometimes I play things I never heard myself." Thelonious Monk

 

RE: Perpetuates the misconception about "condos", posted on September 13, 2020 at 10:26:28
TitaniumTroy
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If your neighbors are complaining about chopped carrots, you have substandard building codes or the builders cheeped out, IMHO.

I live in a 790sq' duplex townhome, I have a shared wall with my neighbor. My old Monsoon's computer speakers and their conventional subwoofer would cause him to pound on the wall. When I switched to MiniMags with two DWM's the problem was solved. I wonder if the Condo Module would have a different effect ?

 

Where I live, posted on September 13, 2020 at 12:00:20
MaggiesAndCats
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the difference between a condo and a townhouse is who cuts the grass and plows the driveway. I have a townhouse and am responsible for things like that.

We're in a 1600+ sq. ft. end unit. I play bass guitar and have had a couple of guitar players over to jam. I have my MGIII's set up in a small 2nd floor bedroom, biamped with a pair of 200W @ 4 ohms amps. While my wife can the hear the Maggie's outside, the neighbors don't hear a thing.

Attached units, done right, can be quiet.

Regards,

Steve

 

RE: Perpetuates the misconception about "condos", posted on September 13, 2020 at 13:30:56
Green Lantern
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from the complex website

Sorry not a condo but 'luxury' apt, the building is fairly new.

When we visit the place seems sound proof, well built but apparently they're not ...

She and her boy friend both compete in body building competitions and are constantly into health food preps which includes lots of blender and kitchen noise.

She told me the couple next door are students from out of country going to San Diego State. The last time they came to the door to complain her bf (John whom they've never met) opened the door. She says it was just like TV, the neighbor's head was at John's chest area and looks up to see nothing but muscles and veins. Neighbor says sorry, turns and walks away never to be heard from again.

But yeah they're looking to get out of there, the rent is almost double what my mortgage is but it has it's own weight room and fitness area in this COVID era so they're content for now, besides they both signed a 6 month lease so...



 

still not clear, posted on September 13, 2020 at 15:22:22
farfetched
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No one has asked what was used. There is a possibility, albeit slight, it was a Bat'leth. When you add in the war yells, it gets noisy.
/ optimally proportioned triangles are our friends


 

I have NO idea, my guess minimum or a step above code requirements, posted on September 13, 2020 at 15:43:12
Green Lantern
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the place has stringent rules (anything placed on the balcony has to be approved), and although it has a significant college presence very little music was heard- and we're usually there on weekends.

I never had problem in my condo with noise and it was built in the mid 80s., most of my neighbors played their TVs and stereos loud enough to notice, but not 'blasting'. But then again our condo president lived directly across from us. When we moved in we were told she was a mean, tough old ****! For example kids couldn't play in the grass, parents didn't like it and often confronted her about it, but it was in the bylaws so they had to go pack sand lol... But once she warmed up to us she was very friendly and cordial.




 

wait-I thought you were talking about building materials lol , posted on September 13, 2020 at 16:03:26
Green Lantern
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she uses regular kitchen knives, nothing fancy.

I think the kids that come from overseas are under so much intense pressure to succeed they expect library conditions when they study. But guess what- that ain't gonna happen.


 

RE: Any movement on the 30.7 for condo concept? , posted on September 13, 2020 at 16:21:26
timm
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This is good news MarcL. Thanks for the input.

 

Condo and Apartment living with Maggies, posted on September 13, 2020 at 18:23:18
GreatSound
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I live in the midwest and own a condo because I hate snow shoveling, outdoor gardening, and mowing the lawn.

I am single and do not have a wife that will do the chores.

Apartment or Condo is the only solution for me.

I have owned six foot maggies since 1975.

I look over my apartment or condo choices very carefully, but you do not know what problems crop up until you have lived in the place for at least a year.

I have played not too loud, and gotten away with that in about half the places I have lived.

The acoustics in most places were crap.

Sometimes the neighbors want dead silence, and call the management, or police over very little noise.

Others complain about stereo sound, but have loud, sex, and fight, then have loud makeup sex afterward, that drives me crazy.

As they say.....The first requirement for enjoying a stereo system is a house, and being single!

Another solution is good low volume sound or headphones.





 

RE: Any movement on the 30.7 for condo concept? , posted on September 13, 2020 at 18:58:56
Utley1
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MAGGIES do not pressurize walls;their sound is diffuse compares to cones and baffles. Went up stairs and down stairs to my neighbors-found that I was not torturing them as long as I played them at reasonable times even if at high levels. I do not use sub woofers even though I would like to.

 

RE: Condo and Apartment living with Maggies, posted on September 13, 2020 at 19:04:17
Utley1
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I guess the police have nothing to do....Defend your system. Use a rubber hammer....to retaliate.

 

RE: wait-I thought you were talking about building materials lol , posted on September 14, 2020 at 12:10:57
farfetched
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"...so much intense pressure to succeed..."

And therein lies our tale. Sigh. My best days are when a simple melody and coffee fills me up so there's scarcely room for worry.

Under Pressure!

"...insanity laughs under pressure we're break..."




/ optimally proportioned triangles are our friends


 

Keep off the grass, posted on September 14, 2020 at 14:47:48
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It's not really grass or snow. I moved into a new condo duplex (sometimes called zero lot line) last year and they do plow the snow. Many other condos in this area do not. It depends on how the CC&Rs are drawn up.

Most condos define ownership to the midpoint of the exterior walls and roof. The outside is owned by the condo association. Thus, the exterior maintenance is the responsibility of the association, to whom a monthly assessment is paid.

Also, depending on location and when constructed, there can be great variations with quality in either type. My condo has dual stud walls with insulation and air space between them for the walls between me and my common wall neighbor -- very quiet. But I've seen condos under construction with just a single stud wall between units, just like a cheaply built apartment unit. One thing to watch out for is an older apartment complex which was cheaply constructed but recently converted to condos with new paint and modest upgrades to the kitchen and bath room(s). You can count on noise between units with those.
"The only cats worth anything are the cats who take chances. Sometimes I play things I never heard myself." Thelonious Monk

 

location location location, posted on September 14, 2020 at 14:58:14
DrChaos
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In Hong Kong, Paris, Manhattan & London, *very* wealthy people live in extremely expensive condos. There isn't that much space available, but in those spaces, they have high-zoot art & furnishing.

 

RE: Keep off the grass, posted on September 16, 2020 at 07:10:00
Utley1
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GOOD ASSESSMENT! Oddly in NYC during the recent apart. boom, some builders actually took advantage of material technology to use carbonate and rubberized filler between floors and walls. You Can actually make living between neighbors civilized. However there are notorious builders like Jarrett Kushner who do the opposite in all their developments and Related Housing(their work being notoriously below standard in the numerous buildings they out up in the 70's-having lived in one. Glad to see the condo/coop owners having their asses handed to them for the moment. (BANkS CANNOT MARK MARKET TO MARKET OR THEIR leverage COLLATERAL WILL COLLAPSE) Buyers are looking for 25 to 30% from last years prices; They are getting it too with months months of free maintenance to create the illusion of price stability. Ha....

 

RE: location location location, posted on September 16, 2020 at 18:16:32
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"High zoot" -- love it.

 

RE: Perpetuates the misconception about "condos", posted on September 16, 2020 at 18:20:50
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Interesting! But makes perfect sense.

 

RE: Reminds me of the Instant Karma Machine story, posted on September 16, 2020 at 18:25:30
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Try nearfield dipole bass -- near your chair so the woofer doesn't have to be turned up, and dipole so it cancels at a distance. A compliant suspension would help as well. And it's a great way to deal with room modes.

 

RE: Reminds me of the Instant Karma Machine story, posted on September 16, 2020 at 22:25:31
BDP24
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Good idea Josh. And elevate the speakers and/or subs off the floor to minimize transferring bass frequencies physically.

 

RE: Reminds me of the Instant Karma Machine story, posted on October 11, 2020 at 15:30:06
triamp
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I live in a typical chicago 2-flat, on the second floor. The downstairs neighbors work during the day, whilst I am retired. Their dog has never complained about my afternoon listening sessions.

These older, well-built structures are fairly decent when it comes to noise between units, too. I can listen any time day or night at a "reasonable" level - loud enough to be enjoyable, like ~87 dB at my listening position, without bothering anyone downstairs. I think the plaster-on-lath ceiling of the unit below is quieter than modern drywall-on-joist ceilings.

In the past, I have lived in buildings that were converted from industrial spaces to housing.... 14 inch reinforced concrete floors, brick firestop walls... There was a jazz quartet that practiced next door, but it was over a year before I knew they were there. So there are LOTS of apartment-style living situations where one can enjoy hifi. Not everything is built crackerbox style.

Science doesn't care what you believe.

 

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